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Re: Will not start and I am stumped
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2016, 05:03:17 AM »
I have checked to see it the distributor is turning and it is.  I have not looked in the oil filler to see of the cam is turning but if I can get someone to turn the key I will try that this week. 
everything else works just will not start.
Fuses have been checked a dosen times and even replaced with new ones
I know when I finally figure this out it will be something simple
« Last Edit: May 24, 2016, 05:07:15 AM by hwyman »
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Re: Will not start and I am stumped
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2016, 07:19:49 AM »
1 - If the distributor is turning, the cam is turning - the crank drives the cam via a toothed belt, the cam drives the distributor through gears.

2 - There is no relay that controls the ECU, there are two relays that the ECU controls - one, the main FI relay, switches power to the ignition, injector, idle valve, etc., the second, controls the fuel pump.
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Re: Will not start and I am stumped
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2016, 03:23:37 AM »
Well it is not the relay
I guess my next move is to pull the key switch from my parts vehicle and put it in my DD to see if that is the problem
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Re: Will not start and I am stumped
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2016, 04:31:02 AM »
Random (or guided guess) part swapping can be extremely frustrating, not to mention expensive - get a test meter and focus on the ECU power circuits - diagrams should be available at Ack's FAQ, they may not match, but they should be close enough to get you into the ball park.
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Re: Will not start and I am stumped
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2016, 05:07:45 AM »
All parts are being swapped from a running parts tracker I bought about a month ago so cost is not an issue but the frustration is.
I will have to go to the local library and see if I can download the wiring diagram,  I can not do it at work thanks to the firewall and the home computer has a virus thanks to the nephew wanting to download music.

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Re: Will not start and I am stumped
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2016, 04:11:55 PM »
Let me ask you this - you bought that Tracker after you started having problems, IF this car was running, would you have bought it?  Do you still think cost is a non issue?
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Re: Will not start and I am stumped
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2016, 05:14:02 PM »
Yes I definitely would have bought it for the price I got it for.
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Re: Will not start and I am stumped
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2016, 03:08:17 PM »
Well I got the keyswitch replaced this afternoon and it still does not start and the cel will still not flash
I will try to get the wiring diagrams downloaded and start tracing wires this week.
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Re: Will not start and I am stumped
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2016, 07:01:07 PM »
If you put the ecu in the other tracker does it run?  Didn't just kill your new ecu?
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Re: Will not start and I am stumped
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2016, 10:36:53 AM »
Also, the computer needs to see the engine cranking to fire injectors or spark.  You'll need a wiring diagram, and see if the cap position sensor or anything like it is getting a signal. It will be a high frequency pulse, can see it on AC setting. Verify +12 and ground on all pins necessary.  Without it the computer doesn't know when to cycle injectors and spark.

Anybody have a wiring diagram to share so we can help this poor guy out?
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Re: Will not start and I am stumped
« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2016, 07:07:02 AM »
Hope this helps.
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Re: Will not start and I am stumped
« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2016, 08:05:57 AM »
Thanks for the wiring diagram  It should help

I will get it printed and put it to use
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Re: Will not start and I am stumped
« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2016, 05:15:45 PM »
Bandit86 i swapped the original ecu back into my parts tracker and as soon as I find the underhood fuse block and put it in I will see if it starts.
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Re: Will not start and I am stumped
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2016, 04:54:21 PM »
Well the weather and life cooperated and I found the fuse block and got it installed along with my original ecu and after I remembered to hook up the battery it started right up
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Re: Will not start and I am stumped
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2016, 06:18:29 PM »
That's good.  Eliminates the ECU.  So we need to check the input pins for power, and ground.  Do you have any electrical background?

If you have 2 trackers side by side it might be even easier.  Go to the ECU, with ignition on check all the pins for 12v to ground, resistance to, and for ground from 12 volt supply.  Compare to other tracker. 
« Last Edit: June 06, 2016, 06:21:30 PM by bandit86 »
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