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Re: Amy gets a Lock-Right
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2017, 12:46:33 PM »
There's actually another locker (auto locker) that should fit, but, it's pricey and you may have to import it yourself - it's the Brazilian made Kaiser locker and both front & rear are available to fit the 98~05 Grand Vitaras.

I don't know of anyone who has fitted these to a GV, a couple of guys I know have them on Pajeros and one on a Samurai, the Pajero owners are quite happy, the Samurai owner took it back out, if it could have fitted my car I would have installed it, just to see how it worked - it is an "auto" locker (or auto UN-locker), supposedly smoother and less intrusive in operation than the lock rights, but apparently they can still make for a twitchy noisy disengagement on a lighter vehicle.
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Re: Amy gets a Lock-Right
« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2017, 08:44:42 AM »
ARB's are expensive, but so are Name Brand winches, and the discussion usually isn't focused on their price.  I use my lockers  (both ends) way more than my cheap winch.  But you are right in the amount of times that it is necessary are slim, but very appreciated.  And my wife enjoys the fact that a flips of two switches and more traction is there.
I ran with an air compressor for a Lincoln seat for my ARB for a couple years.  When I had trouble with my ARB's locking up, and unlocking at the wrong times, I bought the larger compressor.   Turns out my air line got warm and with 105 lbs air pressure, it blew a hole.  Sometimes the tubing would fold together so that it would lock enough that it would hold for short stretches. 
You do have to watch airline placement, or get their upgraded airline.  And their air line is 5 mm, with BSP threads.
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Re: Amy gets a Lock-Right
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2017, 06:32:06 PM »
craigmno1, at this time it is moot, you can not have a Lock-Right in our years trackers as the differential cage is the wrong size.  Perhaps if you got the rear end from a sidekick or?  I am not even sure about an air locker at this time due to the year but I am looking into it and will let you know.  If it fits, it is the only way to go... Well, it will be the only fit but also is the desired way to go as you can lock when you want and have an open diff the rest of the time.  It is about $1K + either $170 or $276 for the air compressor (with the more expensive one you can get an air hose kit to inflate tires.

I am thinking about only lifting mine 1" but I still have to extend the steering column and probably should have driveshaft spacers so maybe I should go ahead and rebracket the panhard rod and a couple more things and go 2 inches...  I am waiting for a reply from one of the suppliers before deciding.

I had a buddy get his JD Gator stuck up to the body in my pasture.  Possibly because he also has an 80 gallon spray rig in the bad but I was not able to pull him out with the Tracker and had to  use the John Deere 2440.  If that had nont done the trick I would have taken the JCB Backhoe and just picked the thing straight up in the air.  ;)

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Re: Amy gets a Lock-Right
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2017, 12:13:17 PM »
Are the air lockers worth the money?

That's kind of a personal decision, every one's circumstances are different - my wife and daughters occasionally drive my car, so an auto locker is out of the question, and whilst I'd love an air locker, the price and the frequency with which I would use it make it hard to justify, and I only need to justify it to myself.
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Re: Amy gets a Lock-Right
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2017, 08:26:58 AM »
Thanks for the info.  There's a chance that my wife would drive to work daily during the summer time (about a mile and a half). All in all I would like to eventually have a dual purpose rig.  Locking the rear end probably is not an option.  Can I get opinions on the lock rite lockers vs. lets say and arb air locker?  Are the air lockers worth the money?  Haven't started the build process yet. Still in the gathering info stage.  Think the lockers are in the distant future.  My plan is to go with a lift and bigger tires and hopefully have the money for some sort of locker once I get frustrated enough with the stock differential. 

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Re: Amy gets a Lock-Right
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2017, 03:07:21 PM »
Tio Pick here.  I have the 2001 Tracker so should be the same as the 2000 you have.  Perhaps you found a "spooler"?  I think I had found one of those myself and now don't remember where.  The guys at Trail Tough told me they were not aware of a spooler for our Trackers.  They could be wrong though.  The first question is "are you going to drive it on the street?".  Only sometimes getting to where you want or as a daily driver.  I believe most if not all would agree with me that you do not want a solid locked up rear axle on the street (would be different if we could figure out how to Warn Hub the rear and have 1 wheel drive.

The spooler would be for 26 spline axles but I am not sure about fitting inside the Tracker differential cage.  The spooler is only a sleeve with splines in the ends for the axles and then some holes in the middle for the shafts the spider gears had been on.  Let me know what happens.

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Re: Amy gets a Lock-Right
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2017, 01:38:26 PM »
Hey guys, this is my first 4x4 build.  I have a 2000 tracker.  In my shopping around for parts I ran across a product that claimed could be installed in the differential that would permanently lock it together eliminating the need to weld it together.  Think they might have been called rollers?  In my attempt to go thru my browser history I could not find the site i seen them on.  Can anyone give their opinion on any such product and maybe a link to find them.  Thanks in advance for any info.

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Re: Amy gets a Lock-Right
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2017, 11:08:24 AM »
or NOT...  I will not repeat all the steps that got us to where we are now but you can read the above.  I had called 4 Wheel Parts Wholesalers and purchased a 1512-LR for my 2001 Chevuki Tracker.  I was pulling the 3rd member and swapping it out anyhow and decided that was the best time to add some sort of locker.  Following my conversation with the maker of the lock right, I did endeavor to measure clearances in the differential.  As much as I want things to work, it did not seem to agree with what should be.  Therefore, having no other excuse, I decided to listen to people on here that are more experienced...  I mean, that is what we and they are here for....  and the "best" advice was to ship it off to someone who knows what they are doing..  ie, in this case Trail Tough in Medford OR.  They received my box today and called me back.  NO GOOD NEWS>  There is not really a Lock-right that properly fits 1999-2003 Trackers and Vitaras.  I do not fully understand all that I do not know about different Lock-rights and different axle housings etc.  BUT as I had noticed, trying to install the 1512-LR in my differential, the drivers only engage about 1/4th of the teeth on the side gears.  This would also explain why Lock-right spends so many pages of their installation manual to the condition / wear on the side gears.  Apparently if the edges / corners are new enough and sharp enough that it can work... at least for awhile.  It appears that there is no locking option within my budget.  I would weld up to spider gears BUT #1, it ruins the heat treat and weakens, #2 can lead to breaking axles...  #3 that is overkill for something that is used mostly around town and once a month or so does a few miles on the beach..

Now to try to talk 4 Wheel Parts Wholesalers into taking this thing back... or if you have a pre-98 sidekick etc, I would make you a deal.   :(

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Re: Amy gets a Lock-Right
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2017, 03:17:15 AM »
You are totally dead on with your comment ,that lock rites have their on personalitys. The one I run in the rear diff is bipolar on days when the temp. is -10  lol. But its always works great. Most ppl dont like them after a short while as because the light weight of tracker/sidekicks,they dont always unlock very well on dry tar in a sharp corner and endup drag'n the inside wheel. But they are not made for cruising down main street,lol. But you will forget all about it when your knee deep in mud or climbing a hill. As I've said before i run one in both front & rear diffs, and was 'mud'n" when somehow i broke a front cv shaft yet  the lock rite still put power to the other front wheel.Without the lock rite i would have lost 4x4  all together. 3x4 got me home .lol

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Re: Amy gets a Lock-Right
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2017, 07:39:44 PM »
With some careful packaging and shopping for shipping...  I put  6 plywood pieces in the cardboard box for strength and I went Fed-ex ground for only $27.14 shipping and my differential case and lock-right parts are on their way to Trail Tough in Medford OR...  5 days shipping each way and a day or two in the shop for turn around.  Updates in about 2 weeks.  Back to working on John Deere, Town Car, various trailers and maybe mounting the light bar on the Tracker.

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Re: Amy gets a Lock-Right
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2017, 06:09:42 PM »
Sad day in  Muddville... or maybe it is for the better.  I so want my lock-right to work and work as it is supposed to.  At one point here I considered scratching it for a spooler... or just shimming the lock-right up like a spooler (maybe welding the drivers together?).  The instructions just say to assemble and check.  Others here have advised me that 1 I might not be happy with it no matter and 2 I should at least get it set up by pro's.  Fortunately someone also pointed me to Trail Tough in Medford OR.  I can send them the differential case and they will set it up for me.  Still I have "no money" and really wanted to do it myself.  I called the Lock-right folks and talked to a rep.  He was not much help on obtaining the 25 degrees of freeplay at the drive shaft flange they say is necessary for proper operation.  With extensive questioning by my he admitted that I could assemble the Lock-right  (dry) with putty on the pinion shafts (if I understood correctly) and torque things down much like you would use plasti-gage.  After disassembly I should be looking at clearances of between 145 thou and 170 thou.  I used stickum putty one would use to attach posters to a wall and applied light oil to prevent sticking.

I had an uncle that was a tool and die maker by trade and a natural born square head (as we call them here in Texas).  In years gone by (he has since passed) he had approved my measuring techniques.  Besides my hands were not shaking particularly today either.  Still the readings I was getting were not uniform on the 3 spots.  Second measurements did closely replicate the first ones but they were in the range of 30 thou, 40 thou, 60 thou and 80 thou for the shafts.  Nothing in the range of 145 to 170.  I am sure that my technique is questionable but I have run low on wise old Tool Makers (and wise old blacksmiths for that matter).  I had mich'ed the spacer shims on top and bottom first.  Each side gear has 2 washers, one a 13 thou and the other a 27 thou for a total of 30 thou on each side gear.  As much as I very much want thing s to just magically work I am forced to be an adult and  listen to other people's experiences.  Nothing else makes much sense

Especially as the Lock-right has its own personality (that I am not sure my wife will appreciate) on a good day.  Next step is to construct an acceptable box for shipping.  Estimate is $50 shipping each way plus $75 shop rate for setup of differential case.  Supposedly it will be the best it can be and will last.  I will not be harsh on it, just sometimes in soft sand.... in soft sand without a support vehicle for 30 miles.

On top of that we were using my John Deere 2440 with a wheel rake to rake hay when it sprang a Hyd leak on a main line.  The fluid that has pumped up is $20 / gallon besides me getting under and identifying the problem and replacing the line.  So my buddy decided that we had done all the raking that was going to need done and went and got his tractor and baler.  About half way though the job he had a flat on the baler.  I was already on my way "across" (to Mexico) in the Tracker with a buddy that needed to pickup more meds (Bleep the VA)..  we decided the Lord had decided that we had done enough for one day.  Maybe I will pour a drink... or 2
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Re: Amy gets a Lock-Right
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2017, 08:52:34 AM »
I was starting to wonder about that - to the point where I actually scrolled through the thread to see what I had suggested...
One the first gen's, like you say, you don't have to pull the brakes, in order to get the axleshaft pulled out. I do have to take the little rubber piece loose, that holds the parking brake cable to the trailing arm, in order to get enough slack to be able to pull the axleshaft out enough to clear the carrier.
BTW, if you were referencing the jack under the third method for breaking the third loose, that was my suggestion, not fordem's. ;)
My mistake in who suggested what a lot of us do without thinking that others may not know how much easier it is.  While both of you are adept at dispensing common sense, I have a lot of experience with common mistakes.
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Re: Amy gets a Lock-Right
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2017, 06:44:33 PM »
They are still only $75 / hr shop rate and estimate 1 hr to do set up.  Also estimate only $50 shipping for the differential case only (that would be $100 round trip).  I think I will go ahead and measure pinion shaft clearance as suggested by Lock-Right....  Other things got my attention today but I have hay fields cut.

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Re: Amy gets a Lock-Right
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2017, 09:21:34 AM »
Well I'm  in the eastern corner of MAINE,and this was done 8/2015,shipping for a complete rebuild kit for the rear & lock right plus a ring & pinion set ,with my third was $60 to Trail Tough.They get $75 per hour(as of 8/2015) and took them two hours to not only set up the lock right but a new set of gears (5:85)&new bearings for $150 plus $58.76 return shipping.If I remember right the turn around was aweek. Truly worth the cost as you will destroy R & P sets if not setup right.Plus the Lock right was completely setup too.I was so happy I sent them the very same items for the front diff too. I have a cast steel front housing  so everything weighted in pretty much the same.The cost  for the front unit setup ($150)plus shipping $55.60 as I removed the stock R & P and so cut a few pounds off the box weight.I still have both sale receipts from them so,this isnt a guess.  I totally understand most guys will scoff at these prices.For me,I thought it a wise investment plus the  "piece of mind" that the diffs are setup by Pro' s, made it that much easier to wheel alone or be the trail breaker..lol     

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Re: Amy gets a Lock-Right
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2017, 08:10:25 PM »
Downeaster, I just sent an email off to Trail Tough.  Sometimes it is not what they do so much as knowing what to do.  However they are 2310 miles from here according to Rand McNally.  Unless I can find one of my shrimp hauling buddies going through there, it could be pricey.  I also understand that I will most likely nnot want to use this as a DD driver with the locker in...  Don't think I could put a warn hub on one side in the back do you?  Never know though, the next day after my PU blew a head gasket I drove my backhoe to Church but then bought the Tracker.