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Offline truk1

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8v or 16valve ?
« on: January 31, 2009, 05:14:44 PM »
i have a 91 kick with 37000 miles runs great but needs exhaust and a few other minor things , i have traded for a 97 16 valve tracker that is wreaked in the drivers side front. 157000 miles on it. does anything bolt up between the two? both are autos.      thanks matt
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Re: 8v or 16valve ?
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2009, 06:55:07 PM »
i'm guessing you have a 1.3 in the 91?  and are you asking if any parts will swap? or if the 1.6 will bolt up?

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Re: 8v or 16valve ?
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2009, 08:09:51 PM »
You can use the 16 valve engine.  Your original engine should be a 1.6 8-valve - which has the same block.  That means that the transmission will bolt up to the engine.

HOWEVER

you will need the engine AND the engine wiring harness AND the ECM AND probably the gage cluster (VSS?) in order to make the engine work properly.

Alternatively, you can bolt the 8-valve head onto the 16-valve's block (they are the same critters) assuming that the 16-valve engine is in better condition than your 8-valve.

37,000 vs 157,000 miles tends to make me think that the 8-valve is the better engine...

So you have some choices:  a more difficult 16-valve transplant with a higher-mileage 16-valve engine or leave it alone and sell the engine (and other TracKick parts) to someone else.

Naturally, the 16-valve transplant will let you confound the monkey at the QuickLube by telling him/her it's a '97 Tracker...
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Re: 8v or 16valve ?
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2009, 11:33:30 AM »
ive a 8 valve 1.6 in my 91 , will the stater and exhaust off of the 16 valve work. ill probly just part out the 16 valve.
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Re: 8v or 16valve ?
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2009, 06:15:45 PM »
ive a 8 valve 1.6 in my 91 , will the stater and exhaust off of the 16 valve work. ill probly just part out the 16 valve.

Starter, Yes.

Exhaust manifold, maybe not...

Long ago in a Galaxy far, far away, my '93 Sidekick needed a new exhaust manifold.  The old one had a crack in it between #3 and #4 cylinder.  I bought one off ebay and swapped it in only to discover that the flange at the bottom was different!  OOPS!  It got jury-rigged... and I am not sure if it ever held a good seal...

Then there is the possible difference between the 8-valve and 16-valve exhaust ports.  I don't have an answer on that.

I hope that this helps
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Re: 8v or 16valve ?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2009, 09:07:36 PM »
Bolt patterns on the 8V are like the Samurai - and things will swap between them (intake / exhaust etc). The 16V head is a totally different bolt pattern & won't share intake / exhaust header. You keep generically referring to "exhaust", so I'm not sure which part you're trying to replace. From the header back, you could probably make it work. The 16V will have an extra o2 sensor, leave it in (to plug the hole), but otherwise ignore it.

Lots of other stuff will bolt between the two (diffs, axles, some body panels, hood...), and a bunch of stuff won't (even less will if it's '96+, as Suzuki did some design changes between OBDI and OBDII, had to engineer in air bags etc).
'96 4 door kick: 29" Pep-Boys M/T, 1.5" OME
'83 SJ410: 31" Toyo M/T, SPOA, 1.3L
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