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92 Traker power lost with a different rear axle
« on: May 06, 2008, 01:28:52 PM »
Hello everybody! Thank you for putting your time and efford in creating such a wonderful resource!

I'm yet another newbi with their endless questions :)

Have my 92 Tracker, 1.6l 8v, 5sp, stock, for three years allready - loving every minute of it! However, two monthes ago had to replace rear axle. Got a used one of a 92 Tracker, 1.6l, 8v, Auto. Asked people around myself if the gear ratio will be the same or not. Everybody was saying yes. But, when the new axle was in place, a friend of mine did a simple test - spined the drive shaft and counted the wheel turns. Original axle, on 10 rotations of the drive shaft would spin the wheel 3 3/4 turns. New one would 4 1/4 turns. Thanks to him I hadn't blowen my tcase and front axle. So, I had to swap the front axle aswell to match with the rear. I kept the original tcase. Now, I've noticed, that my speed is higher but tork is way down.
Any suggestion is highly appriciated.

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Re: 92 Traker power lost with a different rear axle
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2008, 02:09:05 PM »
You owe your friend a 6-pack of good stuff.
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Re: 92 Traker power lost with a different rear axle
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2008, 04:21:55 PM »
  If you use the search bar above,you will find a ton of very useful info on this subject,I know I did!Autos and manual's have different gear ratios,and that is probably the issue here.
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Re: 92 Traker power lost with a different rear axle
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2008, 07:50:25 PM »
Well, just for starters, your symptoms are exactly what you should expect from switching to lower ratio differentials.  If you're looking for a fix to your lost power, you've really got three reasonable choices.

1. More horsepower.  Good luck with that, unless you want to drop serious coin or have serious skills, tools/equipment, and time..

2. Smaller tires.  *cough*

3.  Dump the "new" gears you got and replace them with the right damned ratios. 

Remember that one buddy of yours whom you owe beers (or whatever's an age-appropriate substitute)?  Well, all your other friends are owed some three-step kicks to the groin.
'03 ZR2 2dr Tracker, '02 XL-7 drivetrain and electrcs
XL-7 front coils
1.5" rear coil spacers
Monroe 32316 shocks w/2" extenders
235/70-16 Bridgestone Destination A/Ts on stock XL-7 Alloys RRO Rock Rails (Presently removed, as they rusted to all hell; all the bolts were rusted to dust.  Real nice, RRO...) http://www.trivia-nights.com

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Re: 92 Traker power lost with a different rear axle
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2008, 08:20:12 PM »
beercheck:
thank you very much for plain and simple answer. I've been trying to get a gist of all those gear rations for a while, but noone could have explained it better then you.

Do you think switching to an auto t case would help?

Also, my engine is dying, anything i should consider before thinking of going for a bigger engine?

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Re: 92 Traker power lost with a different rear axle
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2008, 08:43:09 PM »
No, I believe the transfer cases from autos and manuals are identical, but someone else here will be more definitive on that.

Same with the "bigger engine" question.  Give everybody a day or three to check/chime in.   Coming from the 1.6 8-valve, you've got several choices, depending on what you're interested in spending.  Just upping to the 16-valve engine should be about as straightforward as anything, but I don't have any experience with the wiring/ECM changes involved.
'03 ZR2 2dr Tracker, '02 XL-7 drivetrain and electrcs
XL-7 front coils
1.5" rear coil spacers
Monroe 32316 shocks w/2" extenders
235/70-16 Bridgestone Destination A/Ts on stock XL-7 Alloys RRO Rock Rails (Presently removed, as they rusted to all hell; all the bolts were rusted to dust.  Real nice, RRO...) http://www.trivia-nights.com

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Re: 92 Traker power lost with a different rear axle
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2008, 09:43:39 PM »
Does 16v have more HP? I thought they have same HP...

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Re: 92 Traker power lost with a different rear axle
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2008, 05:02:05 AM »
Does 16v have more HP? I thought they have same HP...

8V is 80bhp, 16V is 95bhp
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Re: 92 Traker power lost with a different rear axle
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2008, 06:35:31 AM »
Once again I would like to thank you for this wonderfull forum. Fast replies strait to the point.

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Re: 92 Traker power lost with a different rear axle
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2008, 05:17:12 PM »
Installing an automatic tranny would put your gear ratios back to stock. I would try and find the correct gears and go that route instead of a tranny swap. Then put in the 16v and life will be grand ;D

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Re: 92 Traker power lost with a different rear axle
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2008, 06:31:03 AM »
2.0 is 120hp.... maybe a possibility.
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