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Offline bvc

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auto/5 spd swap
« on: January 30, 2009, 02:19:24 PM »
well after all the info from a lot of helpful people my plan is to swap the 5 spd in my 1990 sidekick to a auto and go with 31 tires and the 2 inch sl and 3 inch bl combo kit, plan to build my own bumpers and mount a winch upfront, want to snorkel it and add down support to the rolebar(mainly for looks) 2 1/4 exhaust from double down pipes to back of unit with dynomax muffler aaaaaand myand  question is, do i need to change computer to swap in auto trans and is it a fairly easy swap?
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Re: auto/5 spd swap
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2009, 02:55:34 PM »
You can use the 4 speed Volvo transmission instead of the Geo/Suzuki one.  It is a mechanical so you don't need the computer bits.
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Re: auto/5 spd swap
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2009, 03:06:49 PM »
As I understand it the early 3 speed auto's are not computer controlled You will however need all the accessories, Kick down cable and vacuum ports on the engine etc.

The 4 speed Auto is computer controlled. You can get a controller from http://awshifting.com however it only gives you manual control of the transmission.

The Transmissions Suzuki uses are Asian Warner made and these transmissions have been put in a ton of cars and trucks. They made a non computer 4 speed for Volvo which will fit as I understand it if you change the bell housing. I am not 100% sure about the other end where the T case attaches.

I found this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_A_transmission  According to this page They put a Asian Warner 4 speed transmission  "A43DL" into 1982-1985 Landcruisers This is suppose to be the same as the "A43DE" which came in 92 and up Sidekicks. It is not computer controlled and coming from a Landcruiser it will already have a transfer case attached to it. Could be an interesting swap.
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Re: auto/5 spd swap
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2009, 03:32:47 PM »
The 3 speed auto is not a computer controlled tranny.  So your manual tranny ECM will work....it may run a little odd at times, but it shouldn't be bad enough to cause any driveability issues.
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Offline bvc

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Re: auto/5 spd swap
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2009, 07:08:54 AM »
thanks guys,will start hunting for a 3 spd auto and get this project underway, my 13 yr old is pulling at my coat tail to get this going, pretty excited to get it on the road!
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Offline Swansen

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Re: auto/5 spd swap
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2009, 04:20:25 PM »
final drive gears are different from auto to manual as well.  I was going to buy and auto and swap in a 5spd until i found that out, but i'm not sure if it will be as bad the other way around.

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Re: auto/5 spd swap
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2009, 07:13:37 AM »
the guys on the forum are saying that the auto has 4.60 gears and the 5 spd has 5.12 gears, i want to switch to a auto to run 31 s and hopefully keep the same tcase and diff.gears to have it run close to stock rpm on/off road hg/low range.sounds like it should work well, need a auto trans and all hardware for my sk if anyone has this close to manitoba/northdakota border?
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Re: auto/5 spd swap
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2009, 09:07:41 AM »
final drive gears are different from auto to manual as well.  I was going to buy and auto and swap in a 5spd until i found that out, but I'm not sure if it will be as bad the other way around.

I was under that impression also, which is one of the major reasons I was considering a auto swap into lil Suzy. I looked it up yesterday and both automatics and the 5 speed all have high gear out puts of 1.0: 1. Of course the over drives vary between the 4 and 5 speeds but the only reason the autos have lower R&P gears is because of the torque multiplication of the slush box. Still not a bad reason to switch but not as good as I had hoped.
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