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Offline museboy07

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Nothing yet, just some ideas...
« on: August 29, 2007, 04:57:08 PM »
Hi guys, I am planning on fabricating a way to use a normal shock to use in place of the front struts on our trackicks.  I will design a way for camber to be adjusted in the finished product.  I'm just posting to see if you guys think that this could actually work and for me to go for it.  Thanks in advance for the input.
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Re: Nothing yet, just some ideas...
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2007, 07:00:04 PM »
your going to need to use a upper control arm witch means finding a spindle that will work.
maybe you could use toyota upper and lower with a hybrid cv shaft ?
if I might ask why are you geting rid of the strut ?


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Offline museboy07

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Re: Nothing yet, just some ideas...
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2007, 07:05:40 PM »
Because I want full travel from my front end. I hate the strut spacers and the expensive 1.5in longer emu struts.  You can get shocks in just about any length possible.  And why do you say I would need an upper control arm?  A shock is the same as a strut just mounted differently.  I was gonna fab a bracket so the shock could be bolted the the steering knuckle like the bottom of the strut does.  And make another bracket so the top of the shock could be bolted the the original strut mount area.
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Re: Nothing yet, just some ideas...
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2007, 07:21:30 PM »
A shock is not the same as a strut. Struts are a LOT stronger than a shock and designed to hold your front end together. It is no where near as simple as you think.



this is just cut and pasted from Cartalk.com

Struts and shocks are very similar in function, but very different in design. The job of both is to control excessive spring motion; however, struts are also a structural component of the suspension. Struts can take the place of two or three conventional suspension components and are often used as a pivot point for steering and to adjust the position of the wheels for alignment purposes.
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Re: Nothing yet, just some ideas...
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2007, 07:39:20 PM »
I guess my idea was crushed  :(
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g-man

Re: Nothing yet, just some ideas...
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2007, 07:56:58 PM »
Sorry. Would hate to see someone damage there Zuki or worse yet do harm to themselves or others. There are ways around this but may be more feasible to spend the money on OME struts.
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Re: Nothing yet, just some ideas...
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2007, 09:34:45 PM »
check out Mike Hagen's (mikerpm4x4) build up pics for some ideas.  Don't stop dreaming just yet... ;)
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Offline WorkInProgress91

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Re: Nothing yet, just some ideas...
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2007, 08:47:33 PM »
Has anyone ever tried to build their own strut?  I've been toying with the idea of getting some tubing and brass bushings and trying to build my own that could cover all the travel that the cv's could handle, then attach a shock to the control arm.
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Re: Nothing yet, just some ideas...
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2007, 11:56:37 PM »
I wonder if you could convert the toyota coil-over strut to fit the suki  :o
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Re: Nothing yet, just some ideas...
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2007, 09:33:58 AM »
The CV angle will always be the limiting factor. Also the longer the shock, the longer the shock body. The driveshaft will prevent you from moving the lower mount down much further so anymore than a couple of inches longer and you will lose up travel. I don't really see the problem with the strut spacers although I do take your point about the cost of the EMU struts. If you really hate the spacers then you could always cut off the strut towers and remount them lower down. You would need to ensure that the correct steering geometry is retained.
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Re: Nothing yet, just some ideas...
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2007, 12:56:50 PM »
the strut is the limiting factor right now though.  even if you add spacers you still have the same amount of travel. 
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Re: Nothing yet, just some ideas...
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2007, 03:52:04 PM »
Even if you could make a super long travel strut you still have to overcome the limitations of the CV's operating angle. A couple of options to consider to maximise the possible travel range would be to centre the front diff which requires raising the engine and making a custom diff centre like the Anvil with two short inner axle shafts and to use a hybrid CV driveshaft such as a Toy outer and a Porsche 930 inner for maximum operating range and strength. Although the actual operating angle at the inner CV doesn't increase massively every bit helps when you now look at the actual travel available at the outer hub. Doing what Mike has done with the double wishbone setup as well as the centered diff also minimises the camber change through the range of travel. The easier way imho would be to lock the front and learn to deal with driving while lifting wheels in the air. Not as good maybe but still pretty effective.
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Re: Nothing yet, just some ideas...
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2007, 11:54:37 PM »
The stock strut doesnt take into consideration the operating angle of the cv's, since it hardly offers any uptravel.  I'm thinking that with  Stan's toyota cv upgrade and a custom built strut, I can have 12'' of travel in the front end with a small financial contribution and a considerable amount of time.
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Offline cj

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Re: Nothing yet, just some ideas...
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2007, 12:27:00 AM »
If you are going to use the standard front diff you will need to consider some diff drop brackets. and I would also suggest that you start making some measurements of the length of the CV driveshafts and the operating angle of the inner CV as these are your limiting factors for travel at the hub as you could make a strut with 15" of travel but if the CV operating angle and the length of the shaft won't allow that range of movement then it is all wasted.
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Re: Nothing yet, just some ideas...
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2007, 09:54:26 AM »
Quote from: WorkInProgress91 on August 31, 2007, 11:54:37 PM
The stock strut doesnt take into consideration the operating angle of the cv's, since it hardly offers any uptravel.  I'm thinking that with  Stan's toyota cv upgrade and a custom built strut, I can have 12'' of travel in the front end with a small financial contribution and a considerable amount of time.

I tested mine when it was stock, the driveshaft only just goes horizontal at full up travel so there is a lot of potential there. Are you thinking of lowering the diff considerably or just trying to get more uptravel?
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