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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: ppltrak on January 30, 2006, 01:36:27 PM
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Can I use a front 26 spline carrier and install a lockrite, or do I have to get a Sammy rear carrier and have it machined to accept the right axle? I'm going to a steel front housing/3rd member and Hagans widening and I figure while it's apart I might as well lock it up. I guess in a nut shell what i'm asking is do I have to get a sammy carrier or not?
Thanks,
Kevin
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I thought with the smaller front diff, you use a Sammy
locker, but the Tracker 26 spline diff has only 2
cross pins, the rear Sammy has 4 I thought it was
a strength issue.
I haven't installed one of these, but I was thinking
about it
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I don't think they actually sell a front lockrite for the kick but since you use your own sidegears does it matter? ???
Kevin
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The lockrite locker that u use is for a Sammy rear diff so you need the carrier and the sidegears. The sammy carrier does have a 4 pin setup and is stronger. To machine the carrier can be done on a lathe in a couple of minutes.
Bill
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I don't think they actually sell a front lockrite for the kick but since you use your own sidegears does it matter? ???
Trail Tough sells a locker for Kick front . . .
http://www.trailtough.com/sidekick.htm
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what i did on my sammy (although it may differ from a sidekick)was weld the rear spider gears and left the front open, on my Toyota axels. I know that there are lockrights for kicks at RRO
http://www.rocky-road.com/kickdrive.html
the link doesnt work but if you just type it in the adress bar it will come up and then just scroll down to the lockrights.
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Are sammy side gears 26 spline?
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Yes
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I don't think they actually sell a front lockrite for the kick but since you use your own sidegears does it matter? ???
Trail Tough sells a locker for Kick front . . .
[url]http://www.trailtough.com/sidekick.htm[/url]
Yeah forgot about this!!!!!!!!!! Excellent price for what you get!!!!!
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I don't think they actually sell a front lockrite for the kick but since you use your own sidegears does it matter? ???
Trail Tough sells a locker for Kick front . . .
[url]http://www.trailtough.com/sidekick.htm[/url]
This is the way Id go. For the price you cant go wrong. All set up and ready to go.
Mike
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How about the Trailtough Quality I've heard some good and bad. I am seriously thinking of using the trailtough locker. They said that it was all new and not part sammy/kick mix.
Kevin
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It's still a Lockrite... just in a modified carrier.. I wouldn't see a problem with it.. I am thinking about this locker too.. not a bad price.
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I had a talk with Hawk this morning and he mentioned something I forgot. If you do the samurai center section carrier with the locker and the samurai side gears with 5.12 gears you will also need a diff can to keep the cross pins in. the 5.83 gears are wider and partially cover the pins thus keeping them from flying out. Hawk also can machine the samurai carrier for you if you have one or he has them.
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so the Trail tought locker is just a normal lockright with a machined sammy carrier for 300 bucks. not bad if you can't find some one with a lathe.
Stu
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Stu, The trailtough locker is not a sammy carrier but a new designed carrier for this application.
Kevin
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YA, the Trail Tough locker is a 3 pin design where as the sammy is a 4 pin design.
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I don't think they actually sell a front lockrite for the kick but since you use your own sidegears does it matter? ???
Trail Tough sells a locker for Kick front . . .
[url]http://www.trailtough.com/sidekick.htm[/url]
finally im stoked im buying one next week
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 YA, the Trail Tough locker is a 3 pin design where as the sammy is a 4 pin design.
ahh thanks for clearing that up ;)
Stu
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TRailtough locker is on order. I will let everyone know how it works soon ;D ;D
Kevin
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This is an interesting article featuring the disadvantages of the auto-lockers. It looks like the auto-lockers use a synchro that locks up after a certain amount of spin.
They do not as easily "unload". When I saw the price of the lockright, I did a lot of web-surfing to check it out.
http://www.off-road.com/suzuki/reviews/rrarb.htm
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Binke, I have a lockrite in the rear of my kick and It does sometimes windup and unload but not too bad. I'm buying a front locker and since you have the front hubs unlocked on the street I shouldn't have much trouble.
Kevin
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I guess it would be an excellent solution for the front diff. Will the Lockrite fit in a 2002 GV with Manual Tans?
What is the difference between the Auto Transmission differentials and the Manual Transmission differentials? Is it the spline sizes going in, or just the gear ratio? Or is everthing different?
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Just the gear ratio is different. I have the new Trailtough locker in my hand and all the steel parts on my bench so after the Calico trip I will be putting my 5.83's on the locker and into the GV 3rd member then into the steel housing. I'm also doing the widening at the same time. ;D ;D ;D
Kevin
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NICE!!
I want to hear all about the behaviour of the lockrite in the front, as soon as you get it in!!!
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ppltrak, i ll be glad if u get photos from that mod that you will do.
i own a GV with steel frond housing and third and i,m planning to lock the frond too.
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OK I'll post picks when I get back on tues.
Kevin
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Hey GV 1600, You have a vacume operated front diff. I don't know if you can just replace the carrier with one like the trailtough locker or a sammy carrier. Probabally you can but you'll have to put on manual hubs.
Kevin
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The GV has a small electric air pump to engage the left drive shaft, not vacuum.
Wouldn't a disengaging driveshaft be a better solution than the locking hubs? Then you wouldn't have to get out and lock them.
I was told by the dealer that the diffs were completely different between the auto and manual trans Grand Vitaras. In my manual both the front and rear look like they have 10 bolt carriers. Are there any differences in the rear?
Thanks,
Marc
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Hey GV 1600, You have a vacume operated front diff. I don't know if you can just replace the carrier with one like the trailtough locker or a sammy carrier. Probabally you can but you'll have to put on manual hubs.
Kevin
I already have manual hubs on.
Superwinch hubs included with the calmini lift kit.
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I was told by the dealer that the diffs were completely different between the auto and manual trans Grand Vitaras. In my manual both the front and rear look like they have 10 bolt carriers.
They are completely different. The manual has a steel diff, the auto has a tin can ;). Other than that, they bolt right up the same.