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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: ed oorklep on May 19, 2005, 03:54:04 AM
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Here's a pic of my CV angle when it's fully extended, my front flex is currently very limited >:( due to limiting straps that came with my Pro Comp lift kit :(. I believe it will get much better if I remove it but I don't know if I'll be trashing CV's then, here's my current angle:
(http://images4.fotopic.net/?iid=yc1h7e&outx=800&quality=70)
I think the struts are standard (they came with the kit but I doubt they're OME) and there's a 2" strut spacer on top of 'm so it should be no problem but I want to ask you guys first before I do some more serious wheeling.
BTW the tyres aren't streight here so it might look somewhat worse then it is on the left side of the pic.
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I remember my procomp kit having little or no down travel on my Pro comp Kit and I still had to shorten the limiting strap to keep from blowing out CV's. I'll try and find a pic at home tonight of the CV angles on my 2" and 3" lift's.
But just looking, it does appear to be at close to max angles in your pic.
Zig
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Okay thanks, I'd like to see some other pics.
What would cause the little downtravel on this kit then ??? Maybe I could address that problem then. Could someone measure the diff drop brackets on a calmini 3" maybe they're longer ??? I guess you allready have seen this but this is on a ramp so the rest of the car isn't horizontal so the angle might look a bit worse because of that....
I'm allready looking at putting a Toy (IFS) front and rear axle under it but have to find someone to fab up a lot of stuff and help me with it over here ;)
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([url]http://images4.fotopic.net/?iid=yc1h7e&outx=800&quality=70[/url])
On a side note, it looks like your idler arm is bent up... Not sure though... Anyone else think so?
-Eric
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Hmmm, that'd suck I'll take a closer pic of that tomorrow so you can see ;) An upgrade of that was planned too ;D
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you guys that have like 4 inch suspensions lifts how did you get rid of the cv angle problem
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Eric, I snapped some pics of the Idler arm:
(http://images2.fotopic.net/?iid=ycf60c&outx=640&quality=70)
(http://images1.fotopic.net/?iid=ycftw5&outx=640&quality=70)
doesn't look bent to me, but I'm not sure about the stock form of it ;)
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The angle looks better then what I have been running for years without any breakages.  I had inverted top mounts (about 40mm more down) without lowering the diff.  I have 31" muddies so they may be kinder on the CV's.
Any chance of getting some pics of the control arm brackets?  It looks like you have camber adjusters in the mounting bracket of the control arms?  Do they stay adjusted?
BTW, your idler arm looks straight.  :)
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yes, i think they are camber adjusters on the new a arm brackets.
i was thinking about just putting these camber adjusters on the bottom hole of my struts. they have, or should have a lot of adjustment.
and also puts the track back to normal.
and could you get some more pics of the brackets please, and the diff drop brackets too, thanks
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Jup the camber adjustment bolts are in the brackets, I'll snap you some close up pic's and put them on asap ;)
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Here they are:
Front A-arm lowering bracket:
(http://images1.fotopic.net/?iid=ycs0qt&outx=640&quality=70)
Passenger (Right) side diff bracket:
(http://images2.fotopic.net/?iid=ycs0q6&outx=640&quality=70)
Drivers side diff bracket (on it's side but if you turn your head that wouldn't be a problem  ;D)
(http://images3.fotopic.net/?iid=ycs0qu&outx=640&quality=70)
Rear A-arm lowering bracket viewed from the front.
(http://images4.fotopic.net/?iid=ycs0qv&outx=640&quality=70)
Rear A-arm bracket from the back
(http://images5.fotopic.net/?iid=ycs0qw&outx=640&quality=70)
Front A-arm bracket from the front.
(http://images1.fotopic.net/?iid=ycs0q0&outx=640&quality=70)
If there are any more q's I'd be happy to answer them  ;D
It doesn't look like it but the camber bolts stay adjusted, but they don't adjust enough so I might skip them and put some in the struts too ;)
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thanks heaps for that ben. its got me thinking more about what i can/want to do.
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Those pics have answered a lot of questions for me. I have only ever seen one Pro Comp kit many years ago and I have always thought it was reasnonly well built, but I couldn't remember it that well. I think I may make something similar to lower the control arms. I made some Diff lowering brackets last week, so now to lift the front more. :)
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 I made some Diff lowering brackets last week, so now to lift the front more.  :)
got pics?
stu
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 I made some Diff lowering brackets last week, so now to lift the front more.  :)
fity, can you get pics of this for us please? very interested in how you made them and out of what, and just saw that 1bigtracker beat me to the Q!
thanks
Steve
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It is a good thing that I took pics. ;) I spaced the diff down with timber while measuring the new brackets, then cut, drilled, weld, grind and paint. I am pretty happy with the brackets. I think they will hold in there longer then the alloy housing. :) I may fab up a new rear mount bracket, but I am undecided as to if it would be any great benefit. I would like to support the rear mount on both sides of the pinion.
RH bracket
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/suzukidiesel/DSC04071.jpg)
LH bracket
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/suzukidiesel/DSC04073.jpg)
Old and new brackets
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/suzukidiesel/DSC04069.jpg)
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nice job.
those would be a nice addition to a budget lift. ;) ;D
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they look sweet. good job. well, seeing as my vits off the road, i may have some spare time to have a good closer look. how much are those brackets dropping the diff? i take it you've only dropped the front of the diff.
does the rear mount bind, did you change the rear mounting bushes?
thanks again.
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Thanks. :)
They lowered the front of the diff 50mm. Which means that I can drop the struts down another 50mm. ;)
I haven't changed the rear diff mount as yet. Yes it has binded up a fair bit. I am thinking that I should put a re angled mount so that it doesn't bind up and also a more rigid bush as the original one is very soft and even though it is binded almost to its limit, it still manages to flex up and allow the drive shaft flange to foul the gearbox bellhousing when wound up and driving downhill. There is not much clearance between the pinion and the cross member, so I can't lower it much.
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FITY, what bushes are you using in your new drop brackets? are the urethane ones like what are used in leaf springs?
the OEM ones seem to have a bit of movement in them, like a shock absorber. i was thinking if you used harder ones like urethane ones, then it may be easier to break the housing itself.
i suppose you can get rubber bushes, but some sizes are hard to find, and cost a bit more than the aftermarket urethane ones.
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I am using some leaf spring bushes from a Sami, chassie end. I just had to cut them down around 4mm so they would fit into the chassie bracket.
They are urethane ones. I thought about the extra movement of the OEM bushes, but I figured that with that extra movement that they have it may cause a hammering effect as the hole diff housing can jump up, down, left and right. There is no difference in driving with the harder bushes, I was worried about vibrations. I have seen the Calmini brackets and I think they use urethane ones.
I gave it a test run last weekend with no problem, but long term it may lead to housing fractures. I think I should have extrended the RH bracket to pick up some of the bolts holding in the diff centre for added support.
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Ed,
I was looking at this
(http://images1.fotopic.net/?iid=ycs0qt&outx=640&quality=70)
And was wondering if your wheel alignment is correct? The two adjusters seem to be in different positions. I am thinking that if everything was straight, then the lower camber adjusters should be symetrical (ie; in the 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock positions). Yours are 9 o'clock and 7 o'clock. ???
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Wheel alignment is okay, not the best possible, still a little like this: / \ I'm pretty sure the car isn't completely straight anymore after a 45mph crash into a Alfa Romeo 8) so that'd be the cause I think ;)
It was all a little guessing at the alignment shop because I had some play in the steering :-/
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Just as a note...
I first installed my ProComp lift with the strut spacers backwards. I thought I had the directions right, but the camber angle of the tires was more like / \ . So, I spun the mounts, so that the tabs for the shacks was to the rear. The camber was closer to | | . The problem? It takes away some of your caster angle... and on-center feel and return-to-center.
I just put 30's on it. With the spacers backwards, the tires rubbed LOUDLY on the front bumper when the wheels were tunred close to full stop ... but only while backing up. Since I spun the mounts back like they are "supposed" to be, I get light rubbing on both the front bumper and the plastic bachind the front tires while braking and turning. This is pronounced when hitting those side streets with the drainage dips.
Just my opinion... but I like Whitfield's front mount. The ProComp control arm drops sit pretty low for giving "lift". I whacked mine today on something in a mud hole, and this is what I got:
(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RQADA5MSW2n5h*EDD1ZNNUPiOShOgly6csWJyA65*1LMYITMRq1unGMDzm4zyfhnYw1nwPY4FPAec2amIJWsScZRoSk5Yk0Ukm1!KPGQaNQ/MVC-827S.JPG?dc=4675524711071534258)
I guess I shoulda put the skid plate on... but I left it leaning against the wall in the shop... :-/
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Hey b1, great tip, have to try that one might have done it wrong too because there were no instructions with it.
I have made my own front skid because I have a 3" body-lift the original one was to short, just have to bent it and install it now ;)
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What was too short? an OEM skid plate on the front?
The one that was a part of my lift is a flat one that runs between the two drop brackets. I figure it might have lessened the bend I got when I hit the uh... ,, something....
I see the need for a prerunner style skid to a custom bumper. ;)
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It is an optional skid plate brom the front bracket to the oem bumper ;D that's why it's too short I have no oem bumper and the body-lift causes the bumper to be even further away from the front bracket. ;D
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I was gonna do the same to my GV soon hmm sami bushing im gonna measure them up this weekned great work guy