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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: feerocknok on March 15, 2006, 08:23:04 AM
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This is just a quicky.
I've got manual steering on my project truck and if I'm turning and hit anything (a small pile of snow for instance), the wheel violently spins to try to get the tires away from whatever I hit. I feel like if I get my arm inside the wheel, I might break it.
Does anyone have this problem, and will power steering fix this?
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This is just a quicky.
I've got manual steering on my project truck and if I'm turning and hit anything (a small pile of snow for instance), the wheel violently spins to try to get the tires away from whatever I hit. I feel like if I get my arm inside the wheel, I might break it.
Does anyone have this problem, and will power steering fix this?
Is this a Suzuki based vehicle you're talking about?
-Eric
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Nope, a Toyota, but I don't get along with the Toy guys, so I'm here.
Same idea though, right?
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A steering stabilizer helps slow the
wheel, power steering will also help
by reducing the affect of hitting the
rock or whatever, but the cause needs
to be addressed.
I found with wide wheels and low backspace
#s like 2" that the force is greater from a simple
leverage increase of the wheel over the steering
system, wide is good, but a wider Wheel Mount Surface
width would reduce this action with a more centered
wheel with less backspace
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I found with wide wheels and low backspace
#s like 2" that the force is greater from a simple
leverage increase of the wheel over the steering
system, wide is good, but a wider Wheel Mount Surface
width would reduce this action with a more centered
wheel with less backspace
Well, stock wheels were like 5", and now I'm running 3-1/4" with 1/4" wheel spacers. I'm guessing that's what you mean by greater force. It's also 9" wide.
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Yep
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As far as steering stabilizers, what's the difference between an actual stabilizer and a shock for suspension? I think I could fab one on with almost no work, and almost no money, if it's possible to use an old shock.
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I think one could be made to work, but a
stabiliser has equal valving both ways, where
a shock is designed to collaps easy and rebound
more stiffly, but cheep and used shocks could
be a start, you would have a mount built and could
get a real stabiliser later
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We've gotta get the electrical hooked up for our welder, and then I should be able to get this done.
:) Thank you much, sir.
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Use 2 rear shocks, one for each direction. Tony Bennet (Red Baron) has a similar set up. I think it might even be is a modded aftermarket Toy setup.
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Nope, a Toyota, but I don't get along with the Toy guys, so I'm here.
Same idea though, right?
You must be just like me (not getting along with the toyota people). It sounds like you have what is called bump steer. It is common for 79-85 toyota 4wd pickups with the "push pull" type steering to do this when a lift kit is added or larger or wider tires are added. The reason for this was that when they designed the steering system, they didnt design it to have huge tires and a lift (the steering system is by no means weak). The stock tires on one of those usually were either 235/75r15, or 31x10.5, and those tires cant put much force against your steering effort, but if you put larger tires on it, they can put a lot of force on the steering system, causing the steering wheel to spin with force. I have heard of a kit called a hi-steer kit, that converts the steering from the push pull to the style that the IFS trucks use, but you have to get an IFS steering box, and do some fabrication.
BTW today I came across a 1991 toyota 4wd 5spd extended cab at the honda dealer where I work, It was originally going to be traded in for $900 (keep in mind that this is a great deal for one with 54,000 miles on it), and I talked to my dad about it, and he said he would loan me the money. Well... I go to my work today, and it so happens that the guy did his homework, and then wanted to trade it in for $5000. When it was all said and done, he traded it in for $3000 and after the safety inspection, it would be $5000, and out of my reach :'( and to make matters worse, the car dealers owners son, who is the sales manager, is buying it to turn it into a rock crawler :'( :'(. It has to of been the nicest 1991 toyota pickup I have ever seen(at least 15 years from new) Its really too bad.
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You must be just like me (not getting along with the toyota people). It sounds like you have what is called bump steer. It is common for 79-85 toyota 4wd pickups with the "push pull" type steering to do this when a lift kit is added or larger or wider tires are added. The reason for this was that when they designed the steering system, they didnt design it to have huge tires and a lift (the steering system is by no means weak). The stock tires on one of those usually were either 235/75r15, or 31x10.5, and those tires cant put much force against your steering effort, but if you put larger tires on it, they can put a lot of force on the steering system, causing the steering wheel to spin with force. I have heard of a kit called a hi-steer kit, that converts the steering from the push pull to the style that the IFS trucks use, but you have to get an IFS steering box, and do some fabrication.
BTW today I came across a 1991 toyota 4wd 5spd extended cab at the honda dealer where I work, It was originally going to be traded in for $900 (keep in mind that this is a great deal for one with 54,000 miles on it), and I talked to my dad about it, and he said he would loan me the money. Well... I go to my work today, and it so happens that the guy did his homework, and then wanted to trade it in for $5000. When it was all said and done, he traded it in for $3000 and after the safety inspection, it would be $5000, and out of my reach :'( and to make matters worse, the car dealers owners son, who is the sales manager, is buying it to turn it into a rock crawler :'( :'(. It has to of been the nicest 1991 toyota pickup I have ever seen(at least 15 years from new) Its really too bad.
That would've been an AMAZING steal. Too bad it didn't work out and that kid'll ruin a beaut. If it helps, I'm ruining a junker.
I'm still running 31x10.5s, just the rims put the tire out so damn far and they're uber wide. Think it would cause the same effects?
Has anyone done a full-size truck power steering swap to their Sami? Full-size to a Sami seems like it'd be similar to a Yota; super over-kill.
Gonna get some shocks from a lift shops dumpster. Owners laugh and like when I ask to dive in their trash. Thank you guys for help with a non-Zuk. It shows alot about alot.
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power steering will make a huge difference. I had a sidekick with 31s and no powersteering at moab one year and it damn near broke my wrists several times. It went to powersteering shortly there after.
unitl you can do something, make sure you keep your thumbs out of the steering wheel, a good jolt could break your thumb.
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i had the same problem with my 32s on rocks i got the calmini stering stabalizer and it cured my problem.
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You must be just like me (not getting along with the toyota people). It sounds like you have what is called bump steer. It is common for 79-85 toyota 4wd pickups with the "push pull" type steering to do this when a lift kit is added or larger or wider tires are added. The reason for this was that when they designed the steering system, they didnt design it to have huge tires and a lift (the steering system is by no means weak). The stock tires on one of those usually were either 235/75r15, or 31x10.5, and those tires cant put much force against your steering effort, but if you put larger tires on it, they can put a lot of force on the steering system, causing the steering wheel to spin with force. I have heard of a kit called a hi-steer kit, that converts the steering from the push pull to the style that the IFS trucks use, but you have to get an IFS steering box, and do some fabrication.
I guess things got better for the toyota. Later that day, someone who was a toyota fanatic like me came in and bought it for $9000. He has no plans on lifting it or anything, and even though he is using it as a work truck, at least it is going to someone who appreciates it for what it is and the beyond awesome condition it is in. The last time I saw one in that condition was back in '91 when they were new. PS: I might be getting a 1982 yota with a bad trans. Someone I knows dad has it, and he didnt want to give it away, so I told him I would give him $200 for it, and I have yet to hear back from him (I might know tomorrow). I sure hope I can get it, because I have been looking for one for a long time, and it is hard to find one that hasnt been lifted. Also, how many miles does your yota have on it?
BTW today I came across a 1991 toyota 4wd 5spd extended cab at the honda dealer where I work, It was originally going to be traded in for $900 (keep in mind that this is a great deal for one with 54,000 miles on it), and I talked to my dad about it, and he said he would loan me the money. Well... I go to my work today, and it so happens that the guy did his homework, and then wanted to trade it in for $5000. When it was all said and done, he traded it in for $3000 and after the safety inspection, it would be $5000, and out of my reach :'( and to make matters worse, the car dealers owners son, who is the sales manager, is buying it to turn it into a rock crawler :'( :'(. It has to of been the nicest 1991 toyota pickup I have ever seen(at least 15 years from new) Its really too bad.
That would've been an AMAZING steal. Too bad it didn't work out and that kid'll ruin a beaut. If it helps, I'm ruining a junker.
I'm still running 31x10.5s, just the rims put the tire out so damn far and they're uber wide. Think it would cause the same effects?
Has anyone done a full-size truck power steering swap to their Sami? Full-size to a Sami seems like it'd be similar to a Yota; super over-kill.
Gonna get some shocks from a lift shops dumpster. Owners laugh and like when I ask to dive in their trash. Thank you guys for help with a non-Zuk. It shows alot about alot.