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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: Shrock on April 27, 2006, 03:32:45 PM

Title: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: Shrock on April 27, 2006, 03:32:45 PM
Can I fit 37's  ....with this "lift kit".... ??   ;D ;D


(http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas1.jpg)
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: ebewley on April 27, 2006, 03:42:59 PM
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....with this "lift kit".... ??   ;D


([url]http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas1.jpg[/url])


......maybe :)

-Eric
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: tracker8wr on April 27, 2006, 04:27:24 PM
is that an SAS kit. finish ur self.
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: locjaw on April 27, 2006, 05:15:41 PM
i dont know if YOU could , but i know I could ;D
jason
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: paps133 on April 27, 2006, 06:22:05 PM
Details plzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: Mikerpm4x4 on April 27, 2006, 07:19:38 PM
I can fit 37s on a tracker without that kit. Alll I need is a sawzall and a rubber mallet! ;D

Mike



JK Details plz
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: Mikerpm4x4 on April 27, 2006, 07:21:28 PM
I can fit 37s on a tracker without that kit. Alll I need is a sawzall and a rubber mallet! ;D

Mike



JK Details plz

Actually Im not kidding, but I still want details. :)
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: da_tub on April 27, 2006, 09:23:10 PM
well if you really want to show us you can use my truck for a demo... (;D)
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: derekj on April 27, 2006, 09:34:24 PM
stop teasing!!!!!!!!

derek
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: HotRod on April 27, 2006, 09:45:24 PM
The bumper was worth waiting for.
But, Come on.
The suspense is killing most of us.
Needing pre-orders? ;) ;D
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: ZeusZuki on April 28, 2006, 12:05:52 AM
I know for sure I can ;D
You do seem to be missing a FEW :o important parts though ;)

Welcome back Mr Hagen - so how did Moab go :D  We sure have missed you :)

"Tweaked" my 3" Calmini kit to 5" while you were away - just dialing in the Camber and hey presto - it will be done ;D 8)

ZeusZuki
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: 92Sidekick4x4 on April 28, 2006, 01:38:05 AM
we want more info!!!
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: nc_zuk on April 28, 2006, 05:43:45 AM
I smell a 4-link Toy SAS with Hydro steering :-X :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: Shrock on April 28, 2006, 06:49:13 AM
NC is on the right track.  Toy axles F&R, high pinion front with an e-locker, Hydro assist steering, sway away air shocks, 4-link or 3-link front and rear.

No plans for a kit at this point, but anything is possible.  We will likely make some of the components and brackets available at least though. 

The plan is to make one sick Kick and keep it looking clean and not hacked up.  They sure make the 32's look small though!

(http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas2.jpg)

Most of the parts are here.  I need to order some hydro assist stuff and decide what to do about gearing.  The 4:1's arent going to cut it I dont think....   

Thinking about a RingR or something from OTT.  I hear the OTT stuff takes a long time, and they havent called me back yet, so the Ringr and dual toy cases is looking interesting. Still not sure yet though.  Suggestions?

Sparks start flying today!
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: Zukipilot on April 28, 2006, 08:13:23 AM
Kick Ass. I cant wait to see the final result  8)

Zig
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: Maroon Monsoon on April 28, 2006, 02:52:52 PM
I would hope you could fit 37's on with that kit! can't wait to see it finished
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: Shrock on April 28, 2006, 03:37:08 PM
The plasma cutter has spoken...and 4 hrs later....;D


(http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas3.jpg)

(http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas4b.jpg)

(http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas5.jpg)

(http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas6.jpg)
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: DWiddowmaker on April 28, 2006, 07:22:43 PM
I can not even begin to tell you how cool that is, but I have the feeling you already now!
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: Maroon Monsoon on April 28, 2006, 09:11:11 PM
dude, that is wicked
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: Shrock on May 12, 2006, 10:34:10 AM
Starting to do some mockup's.  Approach angle will be good!   ;D


(http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas7.jpg)


(http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas8.jpg)
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: Carnage on May 12, 2006, 10:39:34 AM
tres cool
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: Quaddawg on May 12, 2006, 02:01:56 PM
Oh my goodness, if I don't get a shop soon, I am going to go crazy.

That is just wicked.. keep the pics coming for the wannabe in me.
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: Maroon Monsoon on May 12, 2006, 04:55:06 PM
that thing will be intense for sure
Title: Re: Can I fit 37 Krawlers.....on my Track/Kick....
Post by: Jeremiah on May 12, 2006, 05:03:14 PM
I must add my *drool* and envy to this thread as well.

~J~
Title: Re: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: Shrock on June 16, 2006, 07:03:33 AM
A few more pics.  I'm starting to get excited about this thing!  I may actually have something to wheel again in this century. :D

We are trying to keep in low and fairly stock/clean looking on the body, i.e. not looking hacked up. No body lift either!  It's gonna be interesting to see how the trimming goes, but it doesnt look too bad right now.  Moving the axle forward a few inches helps a lot.

The link mounts on there right now are just flat bar pieces for testing the suspension geometry.

Speaking of axles, I had always heard a stock Toy front was too narrow.  With the 2.75" BS wheels I'm running, it looks fine to me.


(http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas9.jpg)


(http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas10.jpg)


(http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas11.jpg)
Title: Re: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: Maroon Monsoon on June 16, 2006, 09:13:23 AM
that thing is looking AMAZING! I love the way it's not getting body lift. digging that. that thing is going to get a massive RTI score once it's finished. it's coming allong great, nice work
Title: Re: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: Shrock on June 20, 2006, 12:23:08 PM
Got started on the rear.  Moving the axle back about 3".  Should have about 93" wheel base when done. 
Title: Re: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: suckysucky5dolla on June 20, 2006, 01:48:12 PM
I sure hope this kit will become available in the future. I can´t understand why all the aftermarket vendors haven't put one sas kit for sale yet. It seems to me that there's a lot of people interested in that.
Title: Re: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: Shrock on June 21, 2006, 01:32:54 PM
A full kit from us is unlikely in the near future.  The setup we are doing on this one is way too expensive to sell.  The pic in post #1, on page 1 is about $1800.00, and not even half of what is needed.   Less expensive parts can be used of course.  We are using it as a learning & testing exercise.  Next time we will probably try something more...sellable for lack of a better term. 

We WILL offer some components, brackets and information that will make the job much easier though.   
Title: Re: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: 1bigtracker on June 21, 2006, 03:00:54 PM

We WILL offer some components, brackets and information that will make the job much easier though.   
A DIY SAS kit, cool ;) ;D

Stu
Title: Re: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: SnoFalls on June 21, 2006, 03:09:54 PM
A full kit from us is unlikely in the near future.  The setup we are doing on this one is way too expensive to sell.  The pic in post #1, on page 1 is about $1800.00, and not even half of what is needed.   Less expensive parts can be used of course.  We are using it as a learning & testing exercise.  Next time we will probably try something more...sellable for lack of a better term. 

We WILL offer some components, brackets and information that will make the job much easier though.   

yes, please on the info ...

I agree that a "kit" is probably not a winner for ya, but I'm also happy to see that TT is giving it a go. The "market" will drive it one way or another soon I'm sure ...

But more to ME and the info thing :) ...
I'm workin' on using D44's instead of toys (aka getting a 60" WMS and 5.89's).

The "info" that would be very nice ...

What you did for the front links? I think I see a panhard  ... is it 4 link parallel, or radius arms, or ???

What did you decide on for the steering box? (I see the blue tape!) ...

I'm guessing those are airshox ... 16's or 14's ... that flexup is awesome!

What's your frame height looking to be?

What do you think it'll eventually weigh in at?

I'm SURE your outta todo items, so I expect your answers right away  ;)

I'm also trying to stay as low as possible, and hoping my waggy front will gimme a bit more to work with when the wheels are turned and stuffed up in. BTW my goal is 35's (maybe 37's at some point with chromo stuff for the D44). airshox are on my list, and so, yea, some experiences and getting the links up front would be helpful ... TIA
Title: Re: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: wezzlegod on June 21, 2006, 07:45:41 PM
i have the same plan as u do i have started gathering the parts but im putting a full toyota drivetrin into mine 22re from a 91 pickup 5 speed trans and marlin gears in the transfercase 4.7s im going to long arm the axels and use coil over shocks i think it would be easyist to set up with coilovers. can you lift it up and take a picture looking up so i can see how you did your trailing arms and i would like to see an upclose of the stearing setup??????????? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: zukzilla1662 on June 21, 2006, 07:47:27 PM
that thing is going to look sweet when it is done make sure to post some pics when it is done
Title: Re: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: Maroon Monsoon on June 22, 2006, 09:22:52 AM
have you guys at shrock works thought of making a lift for 1st and 2nd gen kick/track/vits that has longer control arms like calmini? I think that would be a really awesome thing. I'm sure I'm not the only one that wants to get bigger control arms without getting calmini's kit.

just an idea.. also making a dual control arm kit for these vehicles would be really cool as well. I'm sure you are pretty busy with all the other stuff you are doing but I thought I'd throw some ideas out there

can't wait to see more progress on that sas kit, it is really freaking awesome
Title: Re: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: Shrock on June 27, 2006, 02:45:00 PM
Getting to work on the rear.  Here are some new pics and some details on the suspension geometry.  Any questions let me know...


Went with a 4 Link in the rear:

(http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas19.jpg)


3 Link with panhard in the front:

(http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas20.jpg)
Title: Re: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: Shrock on June 27, 2006, 02:45:58 PM
(http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas12.jpg)


(http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas13.jpg)


(http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas14.jpg)


(http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas15.jpg)


(http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas16.jpg)


(http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas17.jpg)
Title: Re: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: Shrock on June 27, 2006, 02:47:49 PM
and my boy Matt says he likes it!  :D


(http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas18.jpg)[/IMG]
Title: Re: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: SnoFalls on June 27, 2006, 04:32:46 PM
hey jim, thx loads for the details and the updates ... can you e-mail me the full size pics from the calculator tho? (zukiworld has shrunk enuf where I can't quite read the deatils).

I'm hoping to use your dimensions as a start for my game with the calc ...

TIA

Title: Re: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: Shrock on June 27, 2006, 05:22:39 PM
Try this:

http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas19.jpg


http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/tksas20.jpg
Title: Re: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: Maroon Monsoon on June 28, 2006, 12:21:09 AM
I love that thing. awesomeness!
Title: Re: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: toyfamily on June 28, 2006, 10:35:41 AM
yes, please on the info ...

The "info" that would be very nice ...

What you did for the front links? I think I see a panhard  ... is it 4 link parallel, or radius arms, or ???

3 Link with a panhard (obviously from the Calc.) Much like a comp moon buggy

What did you decide on for the steering box? (I see the blue tape!) ...

PSC Hydro assist stock box...still need to get to that so there will be more on mounting etc.

I'm guessing those are airshox ... 16's or 14's ... that flexup is awesome!

14" Sway a Way

What's your frame height looking to be?

About 20" and some change under the skid

What do you think it'll eventually weigh in at?

Unknown. Each airshock is about 6lbs. .The front axle is about 250 lbs. with steering so far (no hydro assist ram yet) the rear end about 210lbs. Each rim and tire  140lbs. . I'll weight a link when I build a real one.   


Nick
Title: Re: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: wezzlegod on June 28, 2006, 06:15:38 PM
can you post some better pics of the frunt suspention closer and more how you linked it.
Title: Re: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: Shrock on June 28, 2006, 07:47:13 PM
Nick is a perfectionist and doesnt want you to see the tacked flat bar and angle iron brackets he used to develop the suspension geometry.  He is drawing them up for laser cutting in CAD right now.  Along with a pimp belly skid with link attachment points that may see the light of day as a ShrockWorks product if demand is there.

Give us a little time, and I promise very detailed pics of everything.   I'll try to sneak a few in the meantime when he isnt looking. :D

Jim
Title: Re: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: wezzlegod on June 29, 2006, 07:01:05 PM
would you make some of those brackets avalible for us not fortinit enough to have a machine to cut them? it seems from all the posts you can see everyone would love this mod. its would be the price that would be the kicker in wether everyone would do it. mabye we can traid for some stuff . im doing a 22re swap into my sidekick you can use my instalation to make a kit for the swap. ill do the testing and give you all the info on how i mounted and wired it. maybe you can help me with the axel swap.
Title: Re: Track/Kick SAS Project
Post by: Shrock on June 29, 2006, 07:42:57 PM
We will make a full belly skid that incorporates the upper and lower link mounts, front and rear.  It will really take the guesswork out the process on the geometry.  Probably some axle brackets and shock hoops too.

If the response is good, we will probably add some additional pieces to round out a kit.

Jim