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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: barcus on May 01, 2006, 08:22:11 PM
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Guys i want to fit 34s or 35s into my rig. im currently running 3+3 with 32" tires. i was hoping to tweak a couple more inches from the kit without sacrificing my cv angles. (lowering the a-arm?)
mike hagen front widening and slight fender trimming.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/barcus/DSC00383.jpg)
rear with hagen axle rotate.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/barcus/DSC00384.jpg)
thanks in advance.
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Not by tweeking, takes a bit more work to get
a couple more inches, drop the front axle more,
diff is too low for driveline.
33s fit with fender trimming, good size, you got gears?
might want to rethink this if not
Wild
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What rubber are you looking at running, more Simex? Those Simex ET's in a 32" measure about 33.5" as it is.
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i was thinking of running 34 or 35 boggers.
im using toy ifs/solid axle rear w/ 5.71 r&ps ratio. im also looking into 4.24:1 t-case reduction so i think gearing shouldnt be a problem.
my front diff has already been "dropped". i think i should look into lowering the a-arms since the downtravel for the front end w/ the stock mounting is already very limited. has this been tried?
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I'm not entirely sure what you mean. The limitation to downward travel is strut travel, you could lower the struts further and sacrifice upward travel. You could do a Procomp style lowering of the wishbones BUT the diff would have to be lowered further than it is now to get a reasonable angle on the CVs
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Hey Guys,
What about adding some 2" coil spacers to the springs? I have a friend who did that on his two door, and was able to fit 33's very easily. He's had it built like that for nearly 3 years, with no issues...He's running the stock alum. housing as well....
I'm going to do that with my four door once my calmini kit arrives. I'm already running the 2" TJ spacers....
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I wanted more lift also. I added those cool spring spacers from Boondox which worked good. They are shaped to fit the coil of the spring and are made of polyurethane. They are called 1.5" spacers but I think I got a bit more than that out of them as my Tracker now sits 10" taller than stock on 31s. The tires account for 2", the body lift = 3" which means 5" suspension. I have been wheeling it hard and so far the stock front drivetrain is holding up.
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Measure those Simex you have... like was said above, they run big... AND boggers run small (or at least SOME of them do...).. you might find that 33-34 inch boggers (not sure which sizes they come in, without looking...) are the same size and will fit as is.
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As far as I know Boggers don't come in a 34". The 35x10.5-16 is a 34.8" x 11.2". The 35x14.5 is getting pretty wide for you and you will need new rims. Simex offer the ET in a 35x10.5-16 at 34.9" x 12" and they also have the ET2 with the 3 lug centre 35x11.5-16 at 35.5" x 12.6". Do you have the Silverstone Xtreme there? They do a 35x 10.5-16.
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Hi Quaddawg. Yup simex tires are generally taller than their listed diameter.
i just want to run bigger tires around 34-35" with no tire yet in particular. boggers just came into mind.
i think by adding spring spacers i might stress out my cv axles. i had already broken 3 aluminium housings and 1 cv so im gonna be more cautious. although upgrading to toy ifs i might have already solve this problem. still...
i have seen a lot of pics here, modified calmini ifs running 35-37" tires! how did they do that?!?
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Shredder,
Do you have any pics of the calmini lift and the coil spacers installed? I'm curious to see what mine will end up looking like.....
-Zukisidekick
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I would cut the frame at the horn like I did in the rockstar artical. Instead of moving it forward just cut and drop it 2 inches, and replate the sides.
Mike
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I would cut the frame at the horn like I did in the rockstar artical. Instead of moving it forward just cut and drop it 2 inches, and replate the sides.
Mike
I have really been thinking hard about this move..
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I would cut the frame at the horn like I did in the rockstar artical. Instead of moving it forward just cut and drop it 2 inches, and replate the sides.
Mike
I have really been thinking hard about this move..
me too. anyone got pics? i coudnt find one in the rockstar article.
has someone built a tamer version of this?
http://www.izook.com/tech/tracker/lift/tracker9inch.htm
(http://www.izook.com/tech/tracker/lift/images/1_7.jpg)
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Mike,
What rear shocks are you running on your rig? I'm running 2" Jeep TJ coil spacers, and will be adding the Calmini 3" this week. I didn't buy Calmini's shocks (as they were out of stock, and I've heard they're not the best), so I want to buy some that will allow the maximum droop possible before the spring wants to come out. Any suggestions? I'd prefer a hydro to a gas charged....
Thanks,
Brian (Zukisidekick)
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Shredder,
Do you have any pics of the calmini lift and the coil spacers installed? I'm curious to see what mine will end up looking like.....
-Zukisidekick
Here are a few.
(http://www.boondoxmotorsports.com/96Tracker8in31side.jpg)
(http://www.boondoxmotorsports.com/96Tracker8in31s.jpg)
(http://www.boondoxmotorsports.com/sCleanUp06_PoserFront.jpg)
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I would cut the frame at the horn like I did in the rockstar artical. Instead of moving it forward just cut and drop it 2 inches, and replate the sides.
Mike
I have really been thinking hard about this move..
me too. anyone got pics? i coudnt find one in the rockstar article.
has someone built a tamer version of this?
[url]http://www.izook.com/tech/tracker/lift/tracker9inch.htm[/url]
([url]http://www.izook.com/tech/tracker/lift/images/1_7.jpg[/url])
Mike Whitfield(Whitfield) based his 4-door build on this as well as the S10 IFS drop. He is a member here, but I'm sure he frequents Zuwharrie BBS more. He recently posted a big thread with lots of pictures of his build, but I'm with Mikerpm4x4 on this, I'd just chop and lower the frame an extra 2" as he said, and I think you'd need to lift the engine the same to make up the difference.
Here's Whitfield's thread on Zuwharrie BBS
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,38154.0.html
(http://photos.zuwharrie.com/users/whitfimb/1007042.jpg)
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Shredder,
That is a well built, and great looking rig! Your running the boondox 1.5" spacers right? I have 2" Jeep TJ spacers in mine...Hopefully, it won't give me too much lift that stresses the CV's...I'll let you guys know on Wednesday, when the kit arrives from Calstiffy....I really want that Shrockworks bumper in the front end....I'm thinking shrockworks front end, trail tough rear bumper, and shrock sliders.....Now, if only I could hit the lottery, I'd be set! LOL
Again, nice work on your rig Shredder!
-Zukisidekick
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Thanks on the compliment. You might want to let your Calmini springs settle in a little before you add your spring spacers to the mix. When I first installed my Calmini kit I had 4.5" of lift. It took several wheeling trips to break in the springs until they rested at 3" of lift.
And, yes, mine has the 1.5" Boondox spacers all around and their 3" springs in front. I like the ride better that way. Still run the Calmini rear springs though.
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finally got a donor. im planning a 2" lift so will probably cut the donor chassis and weld it under my existing. dont want to cut my chassis just yet hehe. has anyone tried or at least attempted this? just want to know the pros and cons.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/barcus/DSC00421.jpg)
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I believe that a member named Littletruck on here did something similar but I haven't been able to find his write up, maybe someone here knows him and could get the info?
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I think it would be really awesome to make suspension arms that are even bigger than calmini and drop the axle more than calmini's brackets do which I heard isn't that hard (the axle drop brackets that is).
I think it would be much easier to do what shredder did and just add the spacers to it, they are only $100 and they are good ones (they better be cause I ordered some last night) personally, I would drop the axle more and add the spacers and call it good. when you run tires that big on those axles they might not be too happy about it. I believe I saw you said that you've broken the front end a few times. a toyota CV swap would probably be a good idea with 35's. I don't know how much abuse the back end can take but that axle isn't beefy so I'd look into a different rear axle in case it does break
good luck with your project, it already looks good and I see it getting much better in the future
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Maroon Monsoon.
i already did the toyota axle swap. 3rd member and all. ;D and with the toy 5.71 R&Ps i think it should be good enough to handle 35s.
IMO the thing with spacers is that you would be straining the CVs. with this mod you get to retain the optimum CV angle.
Attn Littletruck. kindly pls post some pics. thanks...
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Maroon Monsoon.
i already did the toyota axle swap. 3rd member and all. ;D and with the toy 5.71 R&Ps i think it should be good enough to handle 35s.
IMO the thing with spacers is that you would be straining the CVs. with this mod you get to retain the optimum CV angle.
Attn Littletruck. kindly pls post some pics. thanks...
nice that you got the yota swap up front. I bet that's really nice. I was thinking to drop the axle more with the spacers instead of all that frame work. just my opinion on that one but that would be pretty cool to have all that work into it. the frame work would be one more huge thing to set it apart from the crowd
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nice I was thinking to drop the axle more with the spacers instead of all that frame work. just my opinion on that one but that would be pretty cool to have all that work into it. the frame work would be one more huge thing to set it apart from the crowd
The Calmini kit drops the diff as far as is practical, any further would mean cutting and lowering the crossmember.
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nice I The Calmini kit drops the diff as far as is practical, any further would mean cutting and lowering the crossmember.
some guy on here with a 2 door hard top modified his calmini drop brackets by removing the front breackets and pulling the axle down to where the CV's sit nice. Apearently the back one has a flexible bushing or something. once he had it like that I believe he madecardboard templates of new brackets and made them up out of steel. If I remember right that's what he said, if i find the thread I'll post the link for you
I don't think he did any cross memeber modifying.
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finally got a donor. im planning a 2" lift so will probably cut the donor chassis and weld it under my existing. dont want to cut my chassis just yet hehe. has anyone tried or at least attempted this? just want to know the pros and cons.
([url]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/barcus/DSC00421.jpg[/url])
Hahaha...you look very pensive there..."do I really want to get into this?"
Whitfield over on www.Zuwharrie.com has a whole bunch of info on doing this. He made himself a 4" lift using a similar method and a friend of his did literally weld a section of another frame to the front of his Tracker. Lotsa info over there for you.
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dont know if its worth the trouble. i read whitfield's thread. he only used the donnor chassis as a jig to measure and fab his lift. im thinking that it would be simpler to just weld the donnor right under my main chassis but m still having reservations... really hope that someone can post some pics of this type of lift... if ever there was one. ???
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Whitfield's buddy did exactly that. You might ask him if the guy would be interested in talking about it. ???
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some guy on here with a 2 door hard top modified his calmini drop brackets by removing the front breackets and pulling the axle down to where the CV's sit nice. Apearently the back one has a flexible bushing or something. once he had it like that I believe he madecardboard templates of new brackets and made them up out of steel. If I remember right that's what he said, if i find the thread I'll post the link for you
I don't think he did any cross memeber modifying.
I think one of the Aussies made his own brackets but I don't believe he had the Calmini kit. The problem is that the diff lowering is mainly achieved by rotating the housing. The rear mount can only be lowered around 3/4" . You can only go so far before the third is pointing up too far and the CV angle starts to increase again.
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finally got a donor. im planning a 2" lift so will probably cut the donor chassis and weld it under my existing. dont want to cut my chassis just yet hehe. has anyone tried or at least attempted this? just want to know the pros and cons.
Try emailing Simon at Shropshire Suzuki, he lifted his X90 in a similar way
http://www.shropshire-suzuki.co.uk/
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some guy on here with a 2 door hard top modified his calmini drop brackets by removing the front breackets and pulling the axle down to where the CV's sit nice. Apearently the back one has a flexible bushing or something. once he had it like that I believe he madecardboard templates of new brackets and made them up out of steel. If I remember right that's what he said, if i find the thread I'll post the link for you
I don't think he did any cross memeber modifying.
I think one of the Aussies made his own brackets but I don't believe he had the Calmini kit. The problem is that the diff lowering is mainly achieved by rotating the housing. The rear mount can only be lowered around 3/4" . You can only go so far before the third is pointing up too far and the CV angle starts to increase again.
it was an aussie guy and he did have a calmini 3 inch kit an somehow made it a 5 inch lift or something. he said he modified his calmini drop brackets. probably left the back one lowered how calmini planned and I believe he just dropped the front ones enough to make it work. he used the method I described I believe. didn't see anything about having to be careful about not droping the front too much cause of making the CV angles bad anyway or something. the pics of his CV angles looked good. I don't know what happened to the topic, maybe it was deleted
your kick is going to be massive once you add a few mor inches of lift (good thing of course)
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Actually he is a Kiwi, not an Aussie. Bit like calling a Canadian an American I think ;) What ZeusZuki did was to adapt the Calmini diff drop brackets to work on the wider Sport chassis and he then also put in some Calmini GV springs in the front to help with the extra weight of the V6 and ended up with a 5" lift I believe.
http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=10803.0
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There are a few guys, myself included that have added some lift to their kicks. I added, or kept rather my 2" jeep TJ coil spacers on my rig when I added my Calmini 3" lift. Once the suspension settled in, I had a little over 5.5" of suspension lift, and 3" of body lift. I'm running 31" LTB's and have ALOT of space. CV angles are not bad, and are actually better than my previous 2" TJ spacers and no diff drop brackets.
Here's are a few pics:
(http://www.zuwharrie.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11310/Picture_031.jpg)
(http://www.zuwharrie.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11310/Picture_035.jpg)
(http://www.zuwharrie.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11310/Picture_033.jpg)
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Actually he is a Kiwi, not an Aussie. Bit like calling a Canadian an American I think ;) What ZeusZuki did was to adapt the Calmini diff drop brackets to work on the wider Sport chassis and he then also put in some Calmini GV springs in the front to help with the extra weight of the V6 and ended up with a 5" lift I believe.
[url]http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=10803.0[/url]
my bad, I apoligize to zeuszuki. you know what they say when you assume, you make an "ass" out of "U" and "me"
suki sidekick, that is a massive wicked kick, do you have the sway bar in or out? just curious.
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Look at his top picture, it's long gone.
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Look at his top picture, it's long gone.
oh, I see that now, my bad.
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I just want to know how bad your struts and shocks are topping out?
George