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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: bandit86 on January 30, 2005, 10:57:36 AM
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so I was thinking, why bother get a rear locker?  all you need is to split the lever on the parking brakes.  you already have two parking brake cables, if you had two levers, you could lock up any rear tire and have almost full power on the other side...
providing you dont need all 4 to drive, but great if one side is in the air
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in theory, its one of the best mods i think.
but for me, and where i am, there is a lot of black soil and clay based mud, which ALWAYS finds its way into my drums! at the moment, my drums are useless, the hand brake works good, only the shoes don't/can't hold too good.
now, if we were to do a rear disc conversion, and have the same hand brake setup, that would be worth it. it wouldn't necessarily work as a locker/traction control, only provides friction on the wheel in question, so, in actual fact, wouldn't it be a LSD?
well, all in all, it would be one of the cheapest mods if it were to work out.
*off to wreckers to find some calipers for rear disc conversion*
Steve
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I have tossed this idea around for a while, What about running seperate hydraulics from a tee IN the cab? Run the line from the master back to a tee with it's own master cylinders on it too, from there back to the wheels. have some sort of valving in the cab so that when you move a lever from side to side it would create enough pressure to lock that side wheel. I dunno what would be needed for a valve, but it would have to pass the fluid from the original master through it, but also send it's OWN fluid to each rear wheel seperatly.
Am I making sense here? ;D
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What your talking about are cutting brakes. They have been used in racing and dune buggys for years. One company that sells all you need is Jamar.(http://www.funrunr.com/jamar_cb1and2.jpg)
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i would like this for the front LOL ;D
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kind of a pain, to get stuck, fight with lever, get stuck, fight with lever, repeat.
I say the best cheap mod would be welding your diff. (I know the associated problems).
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i used this setup but for cutting breaks. i don't know if anybody else noticed but trackers don't have rear swaybars and cutting at 45 and 55mph is frigin scary but fun as heck. after nearlly flipping my rig more than once i decided it was time to get rid of them and by the way lockers rule. :P ;D
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if i get a mo i will scan in a drawing we did that will allow normall handbrake operation and 2 extra levels,
Two reasons i never bothered was the competions we do puts you in another class if you have fiddle brakes which this is.
we rigged it up and found that its hard to guage which wheel. 9 times out of 10 you need both wheels turning and when go up a hill trying to steer do gears and pull levels is pretty hard. The drum brakes were pretty useless
my pennies worth :-)
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What your talking about are cutting brakes. They have been used in racing and dune buggys for years. One company that sells all you need is Jamar.([url]http://www.funrunr.com/jamar_cb1and2.jpg[/url])
Ran this set-up in my Baja Buggy ages ago, was very satisfied with it (  but then again, that's 2WD of course )
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Wouldn't locking one wheel effectively create more drag add in an already less traction situation?
Am I missing something?
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Wouldn't locking one wheel effectively create more drag add in an already less traction situation?
Am I missing something?
An open diff distributes the same amount of torque to each wheel. If one wheel is in the air, it receives 0 torque, so the wheel on the ground receives 0 torque.
If you were able to lock the wheel in the air (by applying brake) the wheel on the ground would start to move.
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An open diff distributes the same amount of torque to each wheel.  If one wheel is in the air, it receives 0 torque, so the wheel on the ground receives 0 torque. ÂÂ
If you were able to lock the wheel in the air (by applying brake) the wheel on the ground would start to move.
Yes, but what about a mud hole?
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Ran this set-up in my Baja Buggy ages ago, was very satisfied with it (  but then again, that's 2WD of course )
For the price of one of those levers running extra lines, and what your getting out of it. IMO just buy a $90 mini spool then go climb everything you may have had problems with in 4X4,,,, Cuz youll crack up when you do it in two wheel. ;D
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Yes, but what about a mud hole?
Mud, whats that? ;)
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i used this setup but for cutting breaks. i don't know if anybody else noticed but trackers don't have rear swaybars and cutting at 45 and 55mph is frigin scary but fun as heck. after nearlly flipping my rig more than once i decided it was time to get rid of them and by the way lockers rule. :P ;D
The Kick's welded rear axle on the twisties gives the same feeling. My body roll on the 4-dr with the welded rear is stomach churning. But once you realize it is just the welded rear and short lower arms you can have a little fun. Ofcourse this can lead to your passengers stomach churning which is not always a good thing especially on the way to the trails. not a good way to start off the day. my welded Kick rear works very well but it is not as streetabe as it was when i welded the rear in my Sammy...
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you guys have read my mind, and i dont think there is much on the market for SJ axles...
i thought about using line locks, or there are trailer line locks that exist, that operate electrically, that way you dont have to run hydraulic lines up through your cab
50$ each is what i hear they run for
and i think if i stomp the brake nice and hard, flick the switch to lock the pressure on that wheel, and release, it would work very well
Andrew
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The solinoids your talking about work very well. I installed one on a fork lift and it worked well. Flick a toggle switch and hit your brake pedal to set it. To release turn it off and hit your pedal again. The only problem is for inspection you need a mechanical braking system; aka: parking brake.
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why hit the brake again after you release the pressure?
and in my case it would sorta be used as a parking brake if theyre designed to hold pressures for long periods of time, but for most im guessing they would use this along with their mechanical parking brake
Andrew
oh, and is 50$ cdn pretty accurate for the price of one?
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i like this post!! someone reply some more ;D
zuks are cheap, therefore mods should be cheap and innovative, not bought out of catalogs and installed by a hightech offroad shop, atleast half the fun is building
Andrew
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Line Locks aren't that expensive, they are normally used on race cars to lock the front wheels to do a burn out to get the rear tires hot. Here is Jegs selection
http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgmenbr=361&cgrfnbr=584
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I've been eyeballing the racing line locks as an alternative to the Pork-barrell unit which works very well I might add. Just very expensive!!