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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: allian on May 28, 2006, 09:32:58 AM
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i am glad to say i finally got my tires!
it took me a while to get my pics posted but here's a few.
there hankook MT's 235/7515, i love um..
able to rip threw just about anything. tires make such a big diffrence!
i'll be posting more pics to come... ;D
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Lookin' good! 8)
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Nice looking tires! How much did they run you $$ ?? ANy issues with rubbing?
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Hankook make decent tires. They make excellent winter tires anyway!!
Looks great!
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Nice looking tires! How much did they run you $$ ?? ANy issues with rubbing?
i lucked out on these tires, got them used, almost new about 85%tread left on them. i got all 4 for only $200 canadian.
i have no issues with rubbing with my wheels fully cranked. if your running stock height 235 would be the way to go. ;D
MT's rule!
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Cool, now let the air out of those puppies and see how much better they do off road! Try running them at about 10-12 psi off road.
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I am jealous >:(
They Look very good, hopefully I can come across a deal like that ::)
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Cool, now let the air out of those puppies and see how much better they do off road! Try running them at about 10-12 psi off road.
10-12 psi...
i've gone wheelin' a few times already they seem to grip really good, but i'm gonna have to try that next time.
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MT's RAWK. Those look real nice on your truck!
~J~
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Cool, now let the air out of those puppies and see how much better they do off road! Try running them at about 10-12 psi off road.
10-12 psi...
i've gone wheelin' a few times already they seem to grip really good, but i'm gonna have to try that next time.
Next time you hit a hill you can barely make it up, spinning and such... stop and air them down. I ran 10 in my 235's, but I run 0-5 in my 33's... the difference in traction is almost unbelievable for the unititiated.
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Cool, now let the air out of those puppies and see how much better they do off road! Try running them at about 10-12 psi off road.
10-12 psi...
i've gone wheelin' a few times already they seem to grip really good, but i'm gonna have to try that next time.
Next time you hit a hill you can barely make it up, spinning and such...  stop and air them down. I ran 10 in my 235's, but I run 0-5 in my 33's... the difference in traction is almost unbelievable for the unititiated.
awsome thanks for advice! i will definitely try that.
;D
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Are you running beadlocks with that low of pressures? Or, is the Kick light enough and with low enough torque to not worry about slipping a tire on the rim? I've ran my 235's down to 20 psi on many occasions but I might need to try going lower.
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I have marked my tires, to make sure I wasn't spinning them at 0.. I wasn't, but yes, you DO need to be aware of that possibility.
You really don't need anymore than 20-23 on the street in the first place.. bet your ride will be a LOT better with less air.. ;)
Don't forget that airing down also lowers your final drive ratio too, not a ton, but every little bit does help, and it also decreases the resistance that rocks and obstacles in your path put up to your tires, it allows the tire to conform to say, a rock, instead of having to "climb" it, it just conforms to it and rolls right over.
There are several very real benefits to driving off road with very low air pressure.
Anymore, I have softened the sidewalls such that I can't run 0 anymore.. I have to have 1 or 2.. at least..
but yeah, on stiff tires, like my TSL LTB's, you can run them WAY LOW without too much worry, of course, I would LOVE to have a set of Staun internal bead locks.. that would rule, but they cost more than my tires... lol..
It all depends on the tire, you want to run them where they squat real good, but not enough to fold the sidewalls, or bottom out.. each tire is a little different. I had Buckshot mudders in 235x75 and I could run them down to 8 or 9 at the lowest, but they tended to do best at about 10-12.
These LTB's are nearly perfect at 5 psi, but with a spool, I can't run them on the street, they get too much traction, and I am afraid I will twist my axles at the splines.
Give it a try, I was truly amazed at the difference it made on my Tracker, even more than it made on my full size trucks.
The contact patch increases a WHOLE LOT.. I am not sure how much, but it seems like at LEAST twice as much.. in length mostly, but a little width too.
Here is an example: Taken from an EXCELLENT article here: (good read)
http://www.4x4now.com/sfjun96.htm
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Quaddawg you have a tone of 4 wheeling info. thanks.
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Airing down is offroad 101. Grab yourself a compressor to air up before hitting the road though. The size increase in your contact patch makes a big difference to traction. I used to run 8-12psi in my 31's and never popped a bead but I did get the odd slow leak from $%^in the bead. I've got internal beadlocks now and no more problems so far at 5-6psi, haven't tried lower. If you have new rubber and particularly if they are LT construction then you will find them pretty stiff but drop the pressure and run around for a while on them and they will soften up nicely.
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Airing down is offroad 101. Grab yourself a compressor to air up before hitting the road though. The size increase in your contact patch makes a big difference to traction. I used to run 8-12psi in my 31's and never popped a bead but I did get the odd slow leak from $%^in the bead. I've got internal beadlocks now and no more problems so far at 5-6psi, haven't tried lower. If you have new rubber and particularly if they are LT construction then you will find them pretty stiff but drop the pressure and run around for a while on them and they will soften up nicely.
Staun beadlocks?? or what? What did you pay for them? I want those badly.
I agree on the airing down being offroad 101, but I am amazed at the folks that just won't do it, or never thought of trying it themselves.. I see it almost every time I go out. Just trying to spread the word more.
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Airing down is offroad 101. Grab yourself a compressor to air up before hitting the road though. The size increase in your contact patch makes a big difference to traction. I used to run 8-12psi in my 31's and never popped a bead but I did get the odd slow leak from $%^in the bead. I've got internal beadlocks now and no more problems so far at 5-6psi, haven't tried lower. If you have new rubber and particularly if they are LT construction then you will find them pretty stiff but drop the pressure and run around for a while on them and they will soften up nicely.
Staun beadlocks?? or what? What did you pay for them? I want those badly.
Yes, and I got mine cheeeap! ;D ;D Picked them up used. Ideally you want to get them fitted by someone who knows what they are doing.
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Yeah, I heard that they can be a little tricky to install correctly..
Man, if I had those, I don't think I would even put valve cores in my tires.. :o
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I had an old worn down set of p215's, that when aired down to 18-20 psi they started to squat. Now I have lt 235's and went down to 15psi, and they barely bulged. But what a diffrence in dirt road ride! I live on a dirt road, so I noticed the diffrence immediatly, and that road in the mountians was much rougher.ÂÂ
So I guess 10 psi is ok? Maybe a tire pressure post is in order.
I will try that next time.
Jeff
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It all depends on the tire... just be careful and watch your beads and sidewalls.. Some tires are tougher than others.
Also, take a look at your tracks, make sure you still have a good imprint in the center. when you get TOO low for a particular tire, it will start dishing in the center and actually cutting down on your contact patch, there is a sweet spot for every tire, and you will find it.
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I know there are some really nice on board air setups out therel... but until I can get one setup on mine... what else can I use? Do those $30 12V compressors from Wal-Mart work well, or would airing up 4 tires burn 'em out?
~J~
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those arnt tires
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I know there are some really nice on board air setups out therel... but until I can get one setup on mine... what else can I use? Do those $30 12V compressors from Wal-Mart work well, or would airing up 4 tires burn 'em out?
~J~
Most of them will take forever/burnout on you. There are a few that are pretty decent, you want to avoid the cigarette lighters and plug them straight onto the battery (more amps). The SuperFlow MV-50/MasterFlow MF-1050 seems to have a pretty good reputation, and is what I am using. Here's a couple of reviews on it.
http://www.4x4wire.com/tech/portable_oba/
http://www.gearinstalls.com/pepboys.htm
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I know there are some really nice on board air setups out therel... but until I can get one setup on mine... what else can I use? Do those $30 12V compressors from Wal-Mart work well, or would airing up 4 tires burn 'em out?
~J~
If you are going to use a portable, make sure you use the ones that Maplebar suggested, at least.. as far as Wal-mart offerings? They work like CRAP.. takes forever.. they burn out sometimess.
I use CO2... I have a Tippman Instant air that uses a 20oz, and I also have a 20# bottle I use sometimes.. I can fill the 20oz from the 20# too.. very convenient, will also run air tools and turn water into club soda.. lol..
http://leather-working.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=73
Nothing like it.. blows even the high dollar compressors away with speed and convenience, and you can carry it anywhere, swap between vehicles.. etc... It is WAY fast, as you have 100 PSI at the hose, you don't need to build up pressure.. Takes me seconds per tire, instead of minutes.
Plus, you can run your ARB that you want (jk...lol) with CO2 also..
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That looks SWEET. Looks like the $25 thing is over (Kragen was blowing their inventory out of them - special price). Cheapest I could find is at target for $55 + $14 S&H. I wonder if I can just get it at the store for same price...
http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/ref=br_1_4/602-8742843-3648623?%5Fencoding=UTF8&frombrowse=1&asin=B000BM8RT8
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Plus, you can run your ARB that you want (jk...lol) with CO2 also..
LOL - well, with dual air compressors, and a 2lb tank I can run the ARB's too :)
~J~
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I know there are some really nice on board air setups out therel... but until I can get one setup on mine... what else can I use? Do those $30 12V compressors from Wal-Mart work well, or would airing up 4 tires burn 'em out?
~J~
I have the $20 compressor from walmart...... its not worth looking at. I had 215's and it took 10 min per tire to go from 18psi to 30psi, and it has a 20 min duty cycle (20 min on, 20 min off). So I had do drive for 20 minuets to let the thing cool down. >:(
I got a 20% off coupon at 4wheel parts and got the mv50 for $55. I just used in on my new 235's and went from 15psi to 30psi in about a minuet. Huge difference. Now I need to test out lower pressures for the street and maintain mpg.
Jeff
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Plus, you can run your ARB that you want (jk...lol) with CO2 also..
LOL - well, with dual air compressors, and a 2lb tank I can run the ARB's too :)
~J~
Yeah, but I still swear by my portable instant air.. try running an impact with a 2 gallon tank.....
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Plus, you can run your ARB that you want (jk...lol) with CO2 also..
LOL - well, with dual air compressors, and a 2lb tank I can run the ARB's too :)
~J~
Yeah, but I still swear by my portable instant air.. try running an impact with a 2 gallon tank.....
You could mount a paintball cannon to your rig too ;)
~J~
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Now you sound like my son!!
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ok quad d how do you refill the bottle? can you give us some more info? thanks. I also have three of the mv-50's they work great on these.
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I can't find the MV-50's anywhere locally :(
Looks like I'll have to get one online, and pay o-rape-me prices / shipping.
~J~
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and these, gotta love software eh!
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I looked at the target link it says 8.99 for shipping, thats like only 65.00 for one, still cheaper than the original for 279.00 and it's faster.
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I wonder if I can have it sent to local target store and save the shipping all together? Hmmmm....
~J~
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ok quad d how do you refill the bottle? can you give us some more info? thanks. I also have three of the mv-50's they work great on these.
I refill mine from my 20# bottle. You can get them filled at paintball fields too, but it's a little costy.
I think it costs me about a buck each time I fill it. I carry an extra 20oz with me, and have never run out of even the first one, much less the second.
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Hey Quad D, I had a lot longer reply but the board would not let me post it, any way I got it the first time about the larger bottle but was wondering (insert pic here)what the hose looked like and do you need a gage on it or a pop off valve ect,do you turn the 20# upside down to fill the smaller one and are those smaller bottles just paint ball bottles and your paying for the hose and acc.? I need to know LOL.
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You are paying for the bottle and the regulator mostly.
Bottles are expensive as it is, and yes, they are paintball bottles.
Mine came with an adaptor to fill it right of a c02 bottle with a siphon, or yes you have to turn them upside down if you don't have a siphon.
I recommend getting a scale, and a regular paintball fill station off of ebay, they aren't much.
I have priced regulators for the small bottles, they were ALL over $100.00.. if you can find them cheaper, let me know, as you DON'T need the kit.. but the kit I bought came with
Bottle-20oz
Regulator
Hose and fittings for airing up tires
a blow gun
a Tire plugging kit
sports ball needle
extra pop-off
I got several when they were trying to introduce them on Ebay.. I STOLE them for under $50.00 HAHA!!
I think you can get them right from Tippman Industrial, Might be $90 or so.. but well worth it.
I use mine nearly daily, it will clip to your belt too, you can use it to run an Air Nailer... cool..
Really neat setup, that never really took off, I had the rights to distribute them for a little while, but noone was really interested....... blind people..
Everyone that sees mine LOVES it, but I tell them it's around $100 and they just freeze up.. DAMN people can be tight.