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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: Guardrail on January 22, 2005, 07:36:37 PM
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Can somebody tell me what is involved in putting an ARB in the front of a GV?
Thanks.
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hi mate, im just putting one into my Vitara/kick as we speak im using the 26 spline shafts so i would say its the same diff for yours thats if you want to do the front
info on here , http://www.markyb.co.uk/ARB.htm
the instructions you get are good but there are tricky bits
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hi mate, im just putting one into my Vitara/kick as we speak im using the 26 spline shafts so i would say its the same diff for yours thats if you want to do the front
info on here , [url]http://www.markyb.co.uk/ARB.htm[/url]
the instructions you get are good but there are tricky bits
Are you going to run the stock alloy diff with the ARB ???
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Are you going to run the stock alloy diff with the ARB  ???
No, I would like to run a steel diff. I thought the GV had the steel diff. stock. I just don't understand if I need to replace the entire axle housing, or just the diff itself. I am also wondering if I have the 26 spline axle or not.
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No, I would like to run a steel diff.  I thought the GV had the steel diff. stock.  I just don't understand if I need to replace the entire axle housing, or just the diff itself.  I am also wondering if I have the 26 spline axle or not. ÂÂ
Sorry Guardrail that question was for Mark,
Guardrail,
What system are you running to activate your front diff free wheeling hubs or the air actuated system ?
we need to know that before giving advice.  :)
Edit: I just reread your question and think I got the jist of what info your wanting here but I'd would still like to know what your running at the moment so I don't give you false info.
OK heres the two scenarios that I know of:
1) If you use a G/V steel axle that was fitted with the air actuated system you need to throw away the leaf side axle and find one thats from a non air actuated system and then use a right hand inner C/V from the non air actuated model as well. Reason being that the air operated one has an off set in it to allow the system to engage properly, about a 3/8" offset not much but enough to not fit it up to an ARB.
2) If you find a steel axle that was from a donor rig running FW hubs it will have the correct axle, and the ARB will fit straight in.
Heres a few pixs to help understand the gibberish I just wrote ;D
(http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/GV vs Escudo.JPG)
(http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/GVvsEScv.JPG)
you can clearly see the difference in the lengths from the different systems.
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Hi Mate, yes running the alloy axle , not have a lot of choice on that front at the moment as steel housing are as much as the ARB and hard to come by,
I have changed the 3rd member mount to include a metal strap over it rather than the 2 bolts that sits on rubber bushes,
im hoping that the case will survive now im running the 4:24 gear ratio as i take things a lot slower
i will do some pics of my new mount once i finish the install, Im just about to take it all apart again to replace the bearings as my diff man that knows these things adviced. or well said do the job properly so i now have a full set of diff bearings .
:-)_
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further to add. my 26 spline shafts are out of a 2000 4u2 as this one has no auto free wheel hubs so it is the same length as my old 22 spline, i m keeping my 22 spline passenger and just changing the inner shaft and the drivers side.
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OK heres the two scenarios that I know of:
1) If you use a G/V steel axle that was fitted with the air actuated system you need to throw away the leaf side axle and find one thats from a non air actuated system and then use a right hand inner C/V from the non  air actuated model as well. Reason being that the air operated  one has an off set in it to allow the system to engage properly, about a 3/8" offset not much but enough to not fit it up to an ARB.
2) If you find a steel axle that was from a donor rig running FW hubs it will have the correct axle, and the ARB will fit straight in.
Heres a few pixs to help understand the gibberish I just wrote  ;D
([url]http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/GV[/url] vs Escudo.JPG)
([url]http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/GVvsEScv.JPG[/url])
you can clearly see the difference in the lengths from the different systems.
I'm upgrading my 22 spline to 26 spline and just picked up an air actuated GV steel assy. Pulled the left side shaft and it is a little longer than the old 22 spline shaft. Went hunting for a shorter shaft. Suzuki show the same part number for a shaft in a mid '90's Kick whether it is auto or manual hubs and a different part number for a GV with the auto hub setup. Thing is a mate just gave me a 26 spline shaft out of his old Kick and it is the same length as the GV auto one I have. ???
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I lost the circlip off my 26 spline shaft. The dealer charged me 38p (around 76 cents) for a new one. When it arrived it was for a 22 spline shaft. Then he checked and told me I could only get that the circlip for that model (2000 Vitara - old shape) was only supplied with the driveshaft (around $300, yep 300 dollars!). I ordered one for a V6 GV - no problem but at around $2 a lot more than one for a 22 spline.
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I'm upgrading my 22 spline to 26 spline and just picked up an air actuated GV steel assy. Pulled the left side shaft and it is a little longer than the old 22 spline shaft. Went hunting for a shorter shaft. Suzuki show the same part number for a shaft in a mid '90's Kick whether it is auto or manual hubs and a different part number for a GV with the auto hub setup. Thing is a mate just gave me a 26 spline shaft out of his old Kick and it is the same length as the GV auto one I have.  ???
Well I don't know whats going on there CJ,
Perhaps some one swapped his some where along the way with the GV longer one ? I wouldn't of though that an old kick over there wouldn't of have 26 spline in it ?
You would think that even if the longer one was fitted in with out fouling the cross pins it wouldn't lock in properly with the snap ring clip be in the wrong place ???
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Yep, got a little more investigating to do. If I have to I can get the shaft trimmed and the spline extended. At the moment I'm trying to see if I can put a bearing on the right hand side and convert it to a left hand side CV. Not a lot of room to play with so my original idea won't work but I think it can be done with a thinner seal. I have another shaft I can cut down for the RHS. Also having a look to see what other CV alternatives there are. I want more angle.
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([url]http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/GVvsEScv.JPG[/url])
Shane, would you be able to give me the measurement from the base of the CV cup to the end of the spline? Mine broke off in the locker and I need it to accurately work out the length to have the stub axle made.
Thanks,
CJ
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CJ,
for what one the top or bottom cv in the pic ?
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Bottom one thanks Shane. I've worked out how to put a bearing and seal in the steel housing but because I broke the CV shaft off I want the measurement taken of a complete one for making up the stub axle.
Still trying to figure out why the longer 26 spline inner shaft came out of the older Kick/Vit. You reckon it can't be used with my locker as is and will need shortening?
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Still investigating a better inner CV but need to get this sorted out first. Waiting on Calmini for 5.83's to be back in stock :(. Have you got yours in yet?
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CJ
The overall measurement (end of spline to cup) is 102.5mm, from end of spline to shoulder is 38mm.
All you can do with the longer axle is try but I don't think it will work, I can't try it at the moment for you as I have no 3rds assembled. Can you find a short Vit 26 spline locally to use ? I could look here for you if you like ?
I only have my front 5.83 and are waiting for Calmini to send out the rear (12 bolt type) with my Anvil, I hoping from what I've heard to have it shipped out this week.
Kinda a pi$$ off not having it running as I'm off work for a while and could be putting it to good use ::)
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Thanks Shane. I can only pickup a short 26 from Suzuki (none of the wreckers can help) and it will have to come from Japan. I have a guy who could trim it and re-spline it for about the same money so new makes more sense. I was told by Calmini the 5.83's won't be in stock until at least mid Feb and from another source they won't have them til the last week in Feb.
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What system are you running to activate your front diff free wheeling hubs or the air actuated system ?
Sorry, it's been a while since I checked the board. I have the air actuated front hubs.
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Sorry, it's been a while since I checked the board.  I have the air actuated front hubs.
OK, You'd need a set of free wheeling hubs, left inner axle and right inner C/V from a non air actuated 26 spline donor rig.
Although ARB say you need to swap to a Vitara 3rd I have measured the G/V (steel air model) and Vit (alloy FWH model :o) and can find no difference.
I suggest though if your going ahead with it to email ARB USA and get their opinion of what you need to make it work , I hope you don't get the same response I got from my ARB agent "Dunno - let me know how you get on with it" ???
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Thanks Mudfkr,
Now I am just wondering if you can tell me whether I have the steel diff, or the alloy one. I have an '01 Tracker with 2.0 liter four and a 5spd.
Thankyou once again.
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Over here you spec tracker wouldnt have a steel , they came on v6 2.5 and diesel but im sure someone else will confirm
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Thanks Mudfkr,
Now I am just wondering if you can tell me whether I have the steel diff, or the alloy one.  I have an '01 Tracker with 2.0 liter four and a 5spd. ÂÂ
Thankyou once again.
I'd say yours would be alloy but have a look at this http://www.zukiworld.com/cgi/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=suzuki_talk;action=display;num=1106625084;start=15 and then you should be able to tell the difference yourself.
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Cool,
Thanks Mudfkr, when it stops raining, I will go out and check my 3rd to see what I can see. I will let you know what I find.
Thankyou very much.