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Title: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: zukzilla1662 on June 11, 2006, 08:42:08 PM
what engine should i put in my 88 samurai........ whats the most hp i can make my 1.3 have?
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: beerman on June 11, 2006, 08:48:10 PM
GO VW 1,9 DIESEL  ;)
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: explosivo on June 11, 2006, 09:23:32 PM
383 stroker ;)

Seriously though, if you go with a 4.3, it's gonna require changing a lot more stuff than just the engine. You'll need a new trans, transfer case, axles, drivelines, etc. and that's going to destroy the light-weight component of the Samurai.

The 1.6L or the 22re will probably be the most economical and light swaps, since all you need for the 1.6L is an adapter and the 22re you can use the trans and tcase without gaining an assload of weight.
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: Maroon Monsoon on June 11, 2006, 11:41:19 PM
i think a little diesel would be cool. a ford 300 I6 would be really cool if it can fit. You'd have to reinforce the entire frame so you don't twist it like a wet rag I'm sure but I6's are freaking awesome. I don't know what twin cam I6's are out there but it would be even better to put one of those in I bet.

a 22RE would be cool cause they are hella cheap to build and easy to find parts for..
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: Bigzook on June 12, 2006, 05:54:26 AM
1.6 16v.
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: DWiddowmaker on June 12, 2006, 09:19:03 AM
i think a little diesel would be cool. a ford 300 I6 would be really cool if it can fit. You'd have to reinforce the entire frame so you don't twist it like a wet rag I'm sure but I6's are freaking awesome. I don't know what twin cam I6's are out there but it would be even better to put one of those in I bet.

a 22RE would be cool cause they are hella cheap to build and easy to find parts for..

I am glad I am not the only one to think of this... I hate ford with a passion (Comes from years of racing) but I did own/dug out of my yard and old f-100 with a 300 I6 and that thing was bullet proof and made a ton of torque, downfall is it probably wasnt much lighter than a SB Chevy...
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: 1bigtracker on June 12, 2006, 12:41:51 PM
1.6 16v.

X2
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: Maroon Monsoon on June 12, 2006, 05:40:51 PM
i think a little diesel would be cool. a ford 300 I6 would be really cool if it can fit. You'd have to reinforce the entire frame so you don't twist it like a wet rag I'm sure but I6's are freaking awesome. I don't know what twin cam I6's are out there but it would be even better to put one of those in I bet.

a 22RE would be cool cause they are hella cheap to build and easy to find parts for..

I am glad I am not the only one to think of this... I hate ford with a passion (Comes from years of racing) but I did own/dug out of my yard and old f-100 with a 300 I6 and that thing was bullet proof and made a ton of torque, downfall is it probably wasnt much lighter than a SB Chevy...






yea, you can really get some great low end out of an I 6. I don't know if it's proactical but BMW has some all aluminum twin can I6's that are probably hella powerful. my friend does dry pavement drifts with his rear wheel drive Inline 6 bmw sedan. it's bone stock too
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: msabmf on June 12, 2006, 06:44:05 PM
 i work for a toyota fork lift company the 4 bannger they use is similar to a 22r
it runs on propane witch means you can vertualy run upside down if it wasnt for oil loss
they also run a hydrolic pump of the timing chain witch is great for hydro steering
im doing this conversion this winter along with dana 44s and 4 link
the engines are a little pricey but a good used one is pretty easy to find
and better then fuel injection also hydr steer is trick
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

i drive a 06 f 250 4x4 every day and wouldent trade it for the world
the guy who hates fords   WHAT DO YOU DRIVE??????
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: ebewley on June 13, 2006, 08:03:13 AM
1.6 16v.

X2

x3

Seriously, I've been around Samurai with all of those swaps, or have owned and done them myself, and the 1.6 16v is definitely the most. It's simpler to do, weighs less, and has great power to weight.

I've actually had a 4.3 equipped Samurai owner tell me after he had sold that rig and built another with a 1.6 16 valve that if he had done the 1.6 16 valve first he would have never built the 4.3 machine because the 1.6 16v engine combo was that much better. He kept the 4.3 Samurai only for two seasons and had the 1.6 16v Samurai for much, much longer.

One of the first questions to ask is: Do you want to keep the characteristics, other than slow, of a Samurai? The answer to that question could help guide you.

HTH -Eric
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: zukzilla1662 on June 13, 2006, 11:45:02 AM
i want a samurai thats gonna be fast on the highway and good on the weekends for mudding
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: ebewley on June 13, 2006, 03:22:59 PM
i want a samurai thats gonna be fast on the highway and good on the weekends for mudding

1.6 16-valve and you can do an honest 90 mph with 30" tall tires or less fairly easily. (stock 1.6 16v engine, stock exhaust, etc...) Cruising at traffic speed is effortless. For that matter, the 1.6 8-valve would work similar, top speed would be less but driving in traffic on highway or freeway is no problem.

-Eric
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: JayN on June 13, 2006, 04:35:08 PM
i like how my 8v works in my 2 door, my 4 door had the 1.8L and it is a great motor. in my last toyota truck i had a 5mge in it. out of a older supra. had loads of power and speed. i could spin my 35" kralwers on pavement for as long as i wanted.LOL
didn't do it to much, if you have seen the price of the tires.

if i ever have to swap out my motor, i would look at the vw diesel, or a jeep 4cyl and convert it to propane. i have a buddy with the propane one in his sammi and he likes it.

must consider the price of gas these days, i know you americans still have it a bit cheaper then us up here in canada. but it will only get more expensive.
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: Bigzook on June 13, 2006, 04:42:53 PM
i want a samurai thats gonna be fast on the highway and good on the weekends for mudding

1.6 16-valve and you can do an honest 90 mph with 30" tall tires or less fairly easily. (stock 1.6 16v engine, stock exhaust, etc...) Cruising at traffic speed is effortless. For that matter, the 1.6 8-valve would work similar, top speed would be less but driving in traffic on highway or freeway is no problem.

-Eric

I can honestly say all of what he said here is true. The lil red sammy is a different car with the 16v.
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: zukzilla1662 on June 13, 2006, 06:09:09 PM
i have 33's right now and want to go with 35's
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: droppedtracker on June 13, 2006, 06:48:55 PM
or get the 1.6l block put the 1.3l DOHC head on it, add a turbo and you got a motor with a ton of power for the street and lots of torque for off roading. just a thought.
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: zukzilla1662 on June 13, 2006, 07:22:00 PM
any more info on the 22re or the 4.3
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: explosivo on June 13, 2006, 08:22:24 PM
any more info on the 22re or the 4.3
You could check out a Toyota forum and an S-10 forum, since this is a Suzuki site, after all ;)
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: droppedtracker on June 13, 2006, 08:23:52 PM
heres a link for the v6 conversions....

http://www.suzukiconversion.com/
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: droppedtracker on June 13, 2006, 08:57:54 PM
heres a link to a good write up of a built and turboed 1.6l 16v....

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3541691#post3541691
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: zukzilla1662 on June 14, 2006, 12:41:13 PM
what about a 2.0
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: suckysucky5dolla on June 14, 2006, 03:32:17 PM
or get the 1.6l block put the 1.3l DOHC head on it, add a turbo and you got a motor with a ton of power for the street and lots of torque for off roading. just a thought.
Can this be done? I've been thinking about that for quite some time but I don't know if it would bolt right on to my carb'd 1.6. Plus I like the idea of efi.
Title: Re: 4.3 or 1.6 or 22re or keep the 1.3
Post by: droppedtracker on June 14, 2006, 10:26:41 PM
or get the 1.6l block put the 1.3l DOHC head on it, add a turbo and you got a motor with a ton of power for the street and lots of torque for off roading. just a thought.

Can this be done? I've been thinking about that for quite some time but I don't know if it would bolt right on to my carb'd 1.6. Plus I like the idea of efi.


yes, its been done in a few swifts, heres a link to one in a sammy...

http://www.xfaktor.net/Projects/Suzuki/1600dohc/1600dohc.html


and heres a link about the head swap...

http://autospeed.drive.com.au/cms/article.html?&A=0004