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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: erslincoln on February 07, 2005, 04:58:33 PM
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So, I'm brand spankin' new to the zuki world, aside from owning a '98 Metro.
I tried searching for info on the following topic, but have so far come up dry.
Can a 2.0 out of a Grand Vitara be swapped into an X-90?
I understand that we're talking about the difference between a SOHC 16v 4-cylinder and a DOHC 16v 4-cylinder, here, so I realize I may be way out of whack.
Additionally, could a 16v 1.6 be swapped into my 1.3-liter Metro?  I figured if I'd bother trying to procure a 2.0 for the X-90 I'd like to buy, I might as well zip up the Metro, if it's possible.  I mean, it gets pretty good mileage as it sits, but I'd be willing to sacrifice some, because I think with an Eibach drop, some 15x6.5" wheels with some 195/50 rubber on them, and some window tint would make it fun, since it's already a 5-speed.  There's a 4-cylinder, FWD race class starting up here in SE Nebraska, and I thought, "what the heck."
Am I way off-base here, or is any of this feasible?
I'd appreciate those who would dog me for even thinking of this would abstain.  I don't need it.  I've already said I know just about jack squat about Suzukis.
My background is Isuzu-based, so I'm a castaway on SuzukiLand right now.
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The 2.0 into a 1.6 location sounds like a good
power up, provided you get all the stuff to do
the swap (a rolled donor vehicle would be great)
But the problem with a 1.6 in a 1.3 location is
the 1.6L engine is about 1 inch taller than the
1.3L engine, so to fit a 1.6 into a Metro you might
need to give the hood some muscle bumps to fit
the top of the valve cover and TBI injection
Welcome to the board
Wild
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Sweet. I didn't know if it would even bolt up. I deduced, though, that since rocky road has their 1.6 swap kit for samurais, that maybe, just maybe, the FI 1.3 in later sammys was the same as the one in my Metro.
I dunno. I have zero issue with slapping some sort of cowl on the Metro hood. Done right, it might look cool.
Any oil pan issues creep up in your mind?
Thanks for the welcome, incidentally. :)
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Welcome to Zukiworld.
I dont think Wild meant it would "bolt up" and it sounded like that is how you took it :-/ I think the 2.0 and 1.6 have different transmissions or at least bell housings. You'll need to switch computers and possibably harnesses (ie need a rolled donor vehicle) And I think the 1.6 rear wheel drive/4x4 into a 1.3 front wheel drive vehicle would be alot more work than the 2.0 swap.
I'm sure someone with more smarts that me will comment soon ;D
Zig
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2litre into X90, I would think that you would need the 2lte bellhousing and some custom engine mounts along with all the wiring, ECU and stuff
The 1.6 into the Geo, well I would think a search on a couple of the Swift sites would get you the answers to that one
http://www.teamswift.net
Is a good place to look, let us know how you get on
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Hey, people have put the 2.5 V6 into a Sidekick, and an X-90 is just a Sidekick with sexy styling, so the 2.0 in an X should be a no-brainer (yes, you will need the bell housing, and the computer, and the harness, I bet).
The 1.6 in the Metro is gonna be a lot more interesting.
Your distributor sticks UP on the 1.6, but for the Metro, it would have to stick straight off the end of the engine.
I just saw a pic the other day, here, of a 1.6/16 transverse mounted in SOMEthing, with the distributor sticking out horizontally...
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Additionally, could a 16v 1.6 be swapped into my 1.3-liter Metro?  I figured if I'd bother trying to procure a 2.0 for the X-90 I'd like to buy, I might as well zip up the Metro, if it's possible.  I mean, it gets pretty good mileage as it sits, but I'd be willing to sacrifice some, because I think with an Eibach drop, some 15x6.5" wheels with some 195/50 rubber on them, and some window tint would make it fun, since it's already a 5-speed.  There's a 4-cylinder, FWD race class starting up here in SE Nebraska, and I thought, "what the heck."
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We've put a 1.6 8-valve engine into a Swift (metro) using a slightly modified Calmini adapter kit. It fits, however, the distributor is angle drive and a small 'bump' in the hood was required. Also, we're using carburation (circle track guys ::) ) and the air cleaner sticks out of the hood a smidge. Having learned this, I'd say that the 1.6 16-valve out of the Tracker / Sidekick would not fit but due to the differences in the intake the Esteem 1.6 would 'probably' work.
ZUKIWORLD's circle track car in the Article Archives.
http://www.zukiworld.com/month_080102/feature_4bswift.htm
http://www.zukiworld.com/month_070101/feature_superswift.htm
Good Luck and Welcome, Eric
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The 2.0 swap into the x would also require all the hyrd clutch gear, so not only the bellhouseing but the whole assembly. on the plus side you would get to lose the distributor and belt.
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The 2.0 swap into the x would also require all the hyrd clutch gear, so not only the bellhouseing but the whole assembly. on the plus side you would get to lose the distributor and belt.
Are you sure? I've bolted a 1.8 DOHC which is essentially the same as a 2.0 DOHC to a 1.6 transmission. It was a direct bolt up. Same clutch was used (cable actuated from the 1.6 transmission).
I may have misread due to there being so many questions and subsequent discussions off of the initial post. :-[
Anyway, HTH -Eric
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I have a 97 sidekick sport with a 1.8 dohc and its hydr clutch operated no cable. THe same with the 2.0 escudo v6. THe 2.0 in the vatira from what i have seen is the same set up.
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I was under the impression that 1.8 had a different bellhousing to host the hydralic clutch? I guess if it bolts up to the stock bellhousing you wouldn't need to change it over.
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I was under the impression that 1.8 had a different bellhousing to host the hydralic clutch? I guess if it bolts up to the stock bellhousing you wouldn't need to change it over.
Yeah, so what I did and what works is to use the 1.6 transmission and bellhousing which uses a cable actuated T/O bearing. This works with the 1.8 clutch OR you can bolt the 1.6 clutch to the 1.8 flywheel. I 'think' the clutches are the same part number.
-Eric
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Yeah, so what I did and what works is to use the 1.6 transmission and bellhousing which uses a cable actuated T/O bearing. This works with the 1.8 clutch OR you can bolt the 1.6 clutch to the 1.8 flywheel. I 'think' the clutches are the same part number.
-Eric
My understanding is that the 2ltr has a much thicker flywheel and the bolt pattern is not compatible with the Track/Kick crankshaft, hence the TT conversion for the Sammi includes a custom/modified flywheel.
There was a 1.6 16V SOHC (115bhp) Swift sold in Europe. It has a different distributor take off.
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My understanding is that the 2ltr has a much thicker flywheel and the bolt pattern is not compatible with the Track/Kick crankshaft, hence the TT conversion for the Sammi includes a custom/modified flywheel.
There was a 1.6 16V SOHC (115bhp) Swift sold in Europe. It has a different distributor take off.
I believe the 2.0 and 1.8 share the same flywheel /clutch parts. The TT conversion uses a modified flywheel because you are bolting it to a 1.3 Samurai transmission using a Samurai sized flywheel, clutch, pressure plate, etc which is overall smaller in diameter than the 1.6,1.8,2.0 family (4cylinder)
-Eric
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There is currently a 1.8 with a tranmisson on ebay for a 550. Comes complete with wireing harness and everything that might be ideal for a conversion.
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Rockrat just installed an SOS RingR setup with Toy trans and cases on a 1.8 TODAY. He said it was an easy install.........so therefore I imagine the mods are easy also for your application.........Scott speak up.