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Title: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: Whipped on February 06, 2005, 10:15:17 AM

I found a guy closer to me that will do a SAS on my truck using  FJ80 axles and drop in a 30 over built Buick V-6, turbo 350 trans, and a 203 T-case, Tuned port dual exhaust, Nerf bars, Ladder bars and 5 New 15x12 Eagle alloys & 46" Mickey Thompson Claws,  and over 10 New 3000 series shocks. Is this too much for someone that wants a truck that can go swamping or playing at Moab? Here's a photo of a truck the guy has already built, mine will look basically the same except with my bumpers and winch.

(http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/skt.JPG)

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: explosivo on February 06, 2005, 10:24:21 AM

I say the 46's are a little overkill... I'd go with 38s

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: Maiden Hell on February 06, 2005, 10:27:26 AM

LOL, as I was looking at the pic I was saying to myself, "Man, those things are OVERKILL..."

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: adamd on February 06, 2005, 12:24:54 PM

I like it, but I'm a poser....

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: puddlejumper on February 06, 2005, 12:26:31 PM

At first I thought that the pic was doctored.

But if you say so.

And I would have to say that looks like a clean, reliable daily driver; suitable for taking the kids to school in the morning and driving me to and from work...

I am kidding of course... or am I?

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: Mikerpm4x4 on February 06, 2005, 12:57:20 PM

CZ, couldnt you find a halfway point? ::) ;D

Mike

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: jagular7 on February 06, 2005, 01:01:55 PM

If you can, get the axles to work with the configuration of the truck. Get a matching set of tires which would actually work inside the wheelwells a whole lot better than those showing. Remember, there are laws about tires outside of wheelwells in other states. If you are going to travel through those states, you have to abide by the rules. Even if you travel on the streets of Moab, police will get you to park you truck and hike to get your trailer. You can drive off-road with the tires like that, but not on the concrete......

My suggestion: perform the SAS, get sizable tires and suspension to work together and go have fun and see what next to build/replace. Sort of like what Heather/Nate have done. Ideas are shared, so for them, going a little wider is what they wanted to do, rather than go smaller on lift and tires.

If anything, give his ride a little drive (full tank full and not an around the block sort of thing), get in/out, go place groceries in it, etc. and you figure if that's what you want to do with yours......

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: HotRod on February 06, 2005, 01:29:57 PM

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I say the 46's are a little overkill... I'd go with 38s

I agree ;D
36s or 37s would be more realistic for such a short wheel base rig.
BTW: the guy should have pushed the axles out farther.

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: mrfuelish on February 06, 2005, 01:40:44 PM

Your rig looks good like it is,  put a 16 valve in it(1.6 or a 2.0) and a four to one low range and call it good. I would find a four door to do the buick stuff to if you still find the need to.

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: cuban_b on February 06, 2005, 01:41:18 PM

Packing all that drivetrain into a short package will be really tough.  There doesn't appear to be any room for suspension movement.  There aren't too many places where that would be legal.

Most importantly, you could out-wheel that thing on 35's with the sas and a well thought out suspension.

Oh yeah, buick v-6s rule, I have a 231 in my cj-5 and I love it.

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: Zukipilot on February 06, 2005, 09:15:33 PM

Playing in the mud may be different, but I would not want to tak that hill climbing or rock crawling. Over Kill all the way around and I dont see it performing well in any off roading catigory except turning heads (and maybe deep mud). Not to mention, if you could get away with driving it locally, I bet that thing rides like hell.

If you want a head turner I might give this guy your truck to work on, but if you want something that works good on the trail, stay away from that shop.

Zig

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: mbmarkyb on February 06, 2005, 10:33:39 PM

loooking closly is that a spring hanger i see at the front so no nice coil sprung suspension?  and are those 46s in the pics.
do you have any details of steering etc.  might be easier to chuck your body onto something rather than do all the work :-)

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: Whipped on February 06, 2005, 10:38:14 PM

ok i guess it's overkill and from the photo the axles do need to be set further out. and all of your comments are well appreciated and are worth a lot to me. i guess it will wait till later. from being teased with eric's truck by my favorite manufacturer and then being told nope it 'taint going happen and then seeing nate & heathers truck it made me want it even more than ever so much more that i have dreams about riding in it and how smooth as silk the ride is, and the durability of it all over ifs.... then there's reality just how much of my money am i willing to part with....to get someone else to build it for me.... not because i can't do it my own self, because i can....but because the only eyesight i have is my left eye and zero in my right...i still haven't mastered getting around with one eye and still hit the doorjamb when walking in a room, i also while learning to drive again straddle the white line on the right, and make right turns like an 18 wheeler pulling a 50 foot trailer on a one lane road. if there was someone closer like this guy who said he'd do it, or someone that offered it in a kit form i'd be all over it like stink on sheyit or as white on rice. i have $10,000 saved up for whoever would build it or $10,000 for a lot of goodies to do it myself, or even go so far to say $45,000 for a new SUZUKI truck already setup the way i'd want it. i'm unequivocally undoubtedly 100% a -  AZUKIHOLIC - ...an sometimes i get a wild hair up my hind side and try to sell off my stuff like that 2000 GV that i owned for four day's to like my own baby crabzuk because i don't see it happening.... { Opened to suggestions from manufacturers and builders. ~ CZ }  

***A special thanks in this order, to Zukipilot, Hotrod aka Trickkler, Mikerpm4x4, Jagular7, Explosivo, & cuban_b .***

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: Zukipilot on February 06, 2005, 10:49:51 PM

I think as an idea in general it would be fine. But that specific guy went WAY to far. That short of a wheel base, on leafs that tall with that little weight would ride like hell and have little or no travel (from the pic it looked like thos 40+ tires only had a few inches of upward wheel travel before it would bottom out on the rocker. I'm curious to see how well Heather and Nates rig performs in moab. (I'll take plenty of pics of it and email them to you after Moab ;) :-X ;))

Zig

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: Bobzooki on February 07, 2005, 12:59:13 AM

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If you can, get the axles to work with the configuration of the truck. Get a matching set of tires which would actually work inside the wheelwells a whole lot better than those showing. Remember, there are laws about tires outside of wheelwells in other states. If you are going to travel through those states, you have to abide by the rules. Even if you travel on the streets of Moab, police will get you to park you truck and hike to get your trailer. You can drive off-road with the tires like that, but not on the concrete......

Actually, this is incorrect.

If you are in compliance with the laws in the state where the vehicle is licensed, the local police CAN NOT cite you for violation of their laws.  Well they can harass you, but they can't ticket you.

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: Zukipilot on February 07, 2005, 01:06:00 AM

That is good to know ;D

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: Autobot on February 07, 2005, 03:30:10 AM

 I know it's not practical and not trailworthy, but I still think that thing looks SWEET! That would make an awesome show truck.  ;) I'd like to see more pictures if you can get them CZ.

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: hcgalvin on February 07, 2005, 03:50:41 AM

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I found a guy closer to me that will do a SAS on my truck using  FJ80 axles and drop in a 30 over built Buick V-6, turbo 350 trans, and a 203 T-case, Tuned port dual exhaust, Nerf bars, Ladder bars and 5 New 15x12 Eagle alloys & 46" Mickey Thompson Claws,  and over 10 New 3000 series shocks. Is this too much for someone that wants a truck that can go swamping or playing at Moab? Here's a photo of a truck the guy has already built, mine will look basically the same except with my bumpers and winch.

([url]http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/skt.JPG[/url])

I don't think with over 10 shocks, that you are going to flex very well. You also don't have any room to flex with those 46's.

;)

but, FJ80 axles are are good choice!!

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: Bobzooki on February 07, 2005, 04:18:18 AM

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You also don't have any room to flex with those 46's.

How much flex do you need at the mall ???

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: jagular7 on February 07, 2005, 05:36:57 AM

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Actually, this is incorrect.

If you are in compliance with the laws in the state where the vehicle is licensed, the local police CAN NOT cite you for violation of their laws.  Well they can harass you, but they can't ticket you.

Not to pick, but I didn't say anything about a ticket. Yes, the police will harass you and make you actually take the vehicle off the concrete and not drive it. I've see it happen in VA, NC, PA, NJ, etc. In Moab all the time. Even in central CO when there is no windshields.....

Did you know the 94 and up Dodge trucks, in first coming out, were outlawed in PA due to the configuration of the tires and bumpers, stock right off the dealer lot? PA had bumper height laws which these wouldn't pass. The legislature in PA quickly rectified the situation in about 3 months.....LOL.

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: jagular7 on February 07, 2005, 05:38:58 AM

Although I also know a few which had their truck impounded and had to spend 4 days getting it out. Red tape is surely a bitch. The few also had wild-hair a$% mouths which really didn't help any. As they spoke knowing what/which law, etc. the police just took what they wanted and could care less. They still haven't learned....I have though......

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: Bobzooki on February 07, 2005, 05:42:54 AM

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I've see it happen in VA, NC, PA, NJ, etc. In Moab all the time.

A very good reason not to live East of the Mississippi River!  I've never had a problem in Moab, and while my vehicle is legal in Colorado, it is not legal in Utah.  There must be some things that the Moab LEO's are more particular about than others.  Shoot, I've seen tube buggies rolling down the street in Moab.

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: mesjr2004 on February 07, 2005, 12:23:19 PM

look wear the shocks are mounted in the front!! i bet that thing doesnt have 6'' of wheel travel!! my shocks are mounted wear the strut tower wasthoes are barely above the frame they must be so short to keep the tires out of the fenders.

defently a posers ride,but it does look cool.

i would stick with zook drivetrain also,if yuo want a v6 get a zook v6 and 37'' tires are plenty iff not to much imo

Title: Re: Need physiological help making up my mind
Post by: Natebert on February 08, 2005, 08:39:56 AM

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...    Sort of like what Heather/Nate have done. Ideas are shared, so for them, going a little wider is what they wanted to do, rather than go smaller on lift and tires.

...

We went wider, really as a result 2 things.

1) Needed stronger axles.  Can't easily find narrow track beefy axles without going custom.

2) Tires did rub on frame at full flex.  1 or 2 inches per side additional width should take care of that.

We went taller for lots of reasons primarily to get more break over ground clearence.  Even with 35s on an IFS Track/Kick, you may only get a bit over a foot or more of ground clearence at the frame.  (horrible for a 4 door)

This sucks when driving over logs, or over tall humps, always dragging frame.  Not anymore.

~Nate