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ZUKIWORLD Model Specific Suzuki Forum => Suzuki Grand Vitara, Vitara, Chevy Tracker (Gen. 2 Platform) 1999-2005 => Topic started by: sherifon on July 08, 2006, 03:22:18 AM
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hi
wanted to know what does this thing made for - and where do you install it?
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could you give a close up?
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here it is close up :
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My guess.
The rear track bar relocater?
Calmini didn't address this?
Go figure.
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That thing has to do with the brakes.
my kit included that too.... but i didnt use it cause i was just fine.... having ABS.
Aaahh ...... i don't really know the specific word to name it >:( >:(
but if ur car (like mine) has ABS unit, i think that u dont need it.
If you dont have ABS, u need it i think.
The work that this thing has to do, is to lower the position of the central brake unit.
Sorry for my english and hope u ll understand 8)
anyone with a better explanation please??? :)
have fun!!
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thanks
i dont have ABS system
i think i understand the use of this,
but do sombody have pics - of the location he installed it?
::)
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I,m not sure...... but i think that the brake unit must be in the rear place under the car, somewhere near the rear axle.
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Yeah, I'm not sure either but if it's the dohickey I'm thinking of it should be on the body or frame over the rear axle. Probably some sort of a lever mechanism as well.
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It sounds like you guys are talking about a
RWAL (Rear Wheel Anti Lock) unit Load Sensing Proportioning Valve. It's actually a load-sensitive pressure-limiter. An arm is attached to the rear suspension, and moves a lever attached to the unit. Look for it attached to the frame, just in front of the rear trailing arm, on the right. It's used on First Gen which don't have ABS, maybe on 2nd Gen without ABS as well?
(Edited to correct error in the name)
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 i looked again in the installation -instructions - and found nothing  >:( >:(
even in calmini's site -{where they sell the sk19800 - look at the picture } nothing about it ,and it seems that it's not included in the kit nowdays anymore .
IanL , do you  have pics  of that ? :o
 my vit  is menual and without the ABS  -so i geuss i have to install it .
from your description i anderstood that this part its important for the type off vit that i have -grand vitara -model 03 1.6L 3doors manual gear.
do someone have pictures of this installed ? :'(
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sherifon, do you have this thing?
Just wondering what the worry is.
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if i would'nt have this part - i would have nothing to worry about -
becouse now i know that i have this " spare" part that need to be fit somewhere !
;D ;D
reminds me that when i fix something -i allways get some spare parts left ::).....
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if i would'nt have this part - i would have nothing to worry about -
becouse now i know that i have this " spare" part that need to be fit somewhere !
;D ;D
Ah, I was curious. Didn't know you had purchased the Calmini kit. Last I knew you were looking to peice a kit together.
Looking at that peice I'd say that it should be pretty self explanatory if you can locate the load sensing dohickey on your truck.
reminds me that when i fix something -i allways get some spare parts left ::).....
The funny part is I know aircraft mechanics who have said that.
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yes i purchesed 2 hand kit { by luck }.
i replied to an add that was on the :http://newyork.craigslist.org/pts/
and the guy there was very cool and we got the deal done .
now what is the "load sensing dohickey "? :-[
mean while i'll look in the fsm.
thanks AJMBLAZER -you are very helpfull ;) :)
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load sensing dohickey = the item that the bracket should lower (we think)
In case my slang didn't translate dohickey is a slang word for thing, thingamabob, whatsit, the thingy, etc. When you don't know the proper name of an item that's a word some people use.
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I got the name wrong - the thing I'm thinking of is called the Load Sensing Proportioning Valve:
http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker?ForwardPage=/az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/1e/13/c4/0900823d801e13c4.jsp
Now I can't find out whether it IS fitted to your GV, but you can have a look where I said - it's easy to spot if you get under the truck and follow the brake pipe forward from the rear axle.
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yep- i have this valve !
same like in the picture you put .
now no wonder i didnt find out what was a "dohickey" ;D ;D ;D
i will try to fit it there in the weekend - lots exams here in the universisty :'(
if someone have it installed - it can be usefull that ..... ;)
thanks guys you all are realy the best !!!
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I have that valve too. since I have boondox spacers and 2 inch lift shocks in rear should I maybe make something similar? guessing it drops the unit down ot brings the part that is attatched to the axle up. I had to relocate my brake line and E brake lines alrady so they wouldn't bind up.. who knows, maybe boondox sent me 3 inch lift shocks... they sure have allot of travel if you ask me (they did send me a few wrong parts for sure)
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My FSM for Gen 2 only covers ABS, but the Gen 1 FSM says that, with the fuel tank full and the truck empty of load, the spring should measure 3.9" (99mm) from the top of the top "hook" to the bottom of the lower hook.
To adjust, you slacken the spring anchor bolt on the arm attached to the suspension, move the bolt and tighten up. I guess if there's not enough adjustment, that's where the blue bracket comes in?
The only thing is that the Gen 2 suspension is different, so the spring force and/or the adjustment value may be different.
Maybe someone with no lift and without ABS could measure his?
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gv 1.6 3 doors , NO LIFT , NO ABS model 03 -menual .
140 mm as showen in the pic
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I heard people with toyta's just undo it form the axle and tie it up all the way so it's like a full load all the time and more power to the brakes all the time.. not sure if it's a good idea but I'm considering it
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i want to emphasise that  i didnt change nothing in hte car it is  - 140 m'm  - stockÂÂ
 with half full gas tank - no modification made ...(yet)
(before installing the calmini lift kit)
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I heard people with toyta's just undo it form the axle and tie it up all the way so it's like a full load all the time and more power to the brakes all the time.. not sure if it's a good idea but I'm considering it
Hmmm, I'd be a bit cautious about that. I've lifted my 1st Gen (X-90) and haven't checked the adjustment, so the valve thinks the load is lighter than it really is, and it limits the pressure more than it should, but the other day I had to do a very sharp stop and the rear tyres both broke away. When that happens you lose much of the braking effect from those tyres.
So actually allowing it to be set for full load all the time would be quite a bit worse.
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Here is what my 02 Tracker manual says about adjusting the LSPV.
10. Place the vehicle on a level floor.
11. Verify trim height (check that your suspsension is setup correctly....)
12. Push up on the LSPV lever (1) with your finger until the lever stops. Measure the lenght of the coil spring (2).
MEASUREMENT
The coil spring should measure 103 mm (4.06 in) betewwen the spring ends.
Note that you are supposed to push the lever up with your finger first to make sure it is fully extended.
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Here is what my 02 Tracker manual says about adjusting the LSPV.
11. Verify trim height (check that your suspsension is setup correctly....)
lol, I don't think they have a 2 inch lift in mind although in my opinion it's allot more "correct" than stock.
about that valve, sounds like having it up all the way all the time is a bad idea. the lever on mine is probably all the way down all the time with my lift. I think when I get around to it I'll check my hayne's book and see what they say
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I've just read the 1st Gen FSM again. It says the greater the load, the more the spring pulls on the valve lever. I thought it was the other way round, because it looks to me that, as the load increases, the axle gets closer to the frame, so the spring is stretched less.
If I'm wrong, someone please tell me why.
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I think when I get around to it I'll check my hayne's book and see what they say
Do you have a Haynes manual for the GV? When I looked they only had the Sidekick's and early Vitara's but did not cover the V6.
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I think when I get around to it I'll check my hayne's book and see what they say
Do you have a Haynes manual for the GV? When I looked they only had the Sidekick's and early Vitara's but did not cover the V6.
doesn't cover V6 but covers all 1st and 2nd gen 4 cyl vit/kick/tracks
that thing about the lever being down more making more of a load makes sense because the harder you stop the more the front sags and the back should go up as well. while that happens maybe the thing opens up or something
I don't know, but I think my brake line relocation is hitting that spring.. lol. I need to check that out
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I've just read the 1st Gen FSM again. It says the greater the load, the more the spring pulls on the valve lever. I thought it was the other way round, because it looks to me that, as the load increases, the axle gets closer to the frame, so the spring is stretched less.
If I'm wrong, someone please tell me why.
I'm not sure how the valve works, but yes that is the point of the LSPV. When there is more weight on the rear there is more traction so you can brake harder without slipping. Maybe the Toyota's are designed differently.
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Here is what my 02 Tracker manual says about adjusting the LSPV.
11. Verify trim height (check that your suspsension is setup correctly....)
lol, I don't think they have a 2 inch lift in mind although in my opinion it's allot more "correct" than stock.
I don't think it matters if you have a lift. As long as you get the spring to the correct length, it will have the correct effect. But you do need to check when you apply the lift. My guess is that a 2" lift will need a 0.2" adjustment (that assumes the bracket is about a tenth of the way along the suspension link).
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Oy, and I thought ABS was complicated. :P
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But at least with LSPV instead of ABS you don't get something like this...
The ABS-based traction control system that Suzuki spec'd took the Grand Vitara up hills and over moguls that we'd never guess it could. Unfortunately, in the sand that same system literally shuts the truck down as it tries to control wheel spin.
http://4wheeloffroad.com/eventcoverage/131_0602_2006_4x4_of_year/suzuki_grand_vitara.html
Actually even without a traction control system that stops you in your tracks I have heard that most ABS systems perform worse (than not having one) in sand and soft dirt conditions.
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Bear in mind that's the new models with the "roll control", traction assist, and all that crap that's integrated in with ABS.
That said I won't defend ABS. After 10 years the ABS on my Ranger stopped working...oh well... ;)
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dont know if you are still dwelling on you LSPV but i thought you might like to see what my factory service manual says. right click and save as to view orignal size
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i171/gonefirefighting/img012.jpg)
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go figure.....
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Based on the information you have provided, you will not use this part.
Best Regards
Sales Department
CALMINI Products Inc.
Ph: 800-345-3305
sales|removethispart|@calmini.com
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From: hanan shvartzman [mailto:shanans|removethispart|@t2.technion.ac.il]
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 8:19 AM
To: 'CALMINI Products Inc'
Subject: RE: qwestion about the 2.5" kit for "gv" please
As far as I know
It was purchased in the u.s ( on the 4 -may 2001) straight from you guys .
The envelop is attached .
I have this valve in my GV 1.6L 3 DOORS MANUAL SHIFTING ( without ABS) ,
can you please help me figure how to use this bracket?
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From: CALMINI Products Inc [mailto:sales|removethispart|@calmini.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 3:54 PM
To: 'hanan shvartzman'
Subject: RE: qwestion about the 2.5" kit for "gv" please
Sir-
The bracket is an extension bracket for the stock proportioning valve. Not all vehicles will utilize this bracket. Where was your kit purchased?
Best Regards
Sales Department
CALMINI Products Inc.
Ph: 800-345-3305
sales|removethispart|@calmini.com
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From: hanan shvartzman [mailto:shanans|removethispart|@t2.technion.ac.il]
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:42 AM
To: 'CALMINI Products Inc'
Subject: RE: qwestion about the 2.5" kit for "gv" please
Another qwestion that I have is about this part:
- I have GV 1.6L 3 DOORS MANUAL SHIFTING ( without ABS)
I anderstood That thing has to do with the brakes-"Load Sensing Proportioning Valve"
Nothing about it is menthioned in the installation -instructions guide.
Can you please explain me how to use it ,
(a picture of it installed is very helpful too).
Thanks again for all the help, really appreciate it .
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From: CALMINI Products Inc [mailto:sales|removethispart|@calmini.com]
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 4:14 PM
To: 'hanan shvartzman'
Subject: RE: qwestion about the 2.5" kit for "gv" please
Sir-
The piece shown in the first picture is not part of our kit. You will need to check with the person you purchased the kit from to determine where it is installed. From the lower picture, you have all parts that we include.
Best Regards
Sales Department
CALMINI Products Inc.
Ph: 800-345-3305
sales|removethispart|@calmini.com
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From: hanan shvartzman [mailto:shanans|removethispart|@t2.technion.ac.il]
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:02 AM
To: sales|removethispart|@calmini.com
Subject: qwestion about the 2.5" kit for "gv" please
Hello
I wanted to know about an item that is supplied with the 2.5" kit for gv
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Where do I install it ?
I got the kit from a friend ,
Those are all the parts I have:
can you tell me please what items I don’t have so I can order them from you guys?
Thanks in advance
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I think that was a BS answer to get you off the phone since you did not purchase from them. Not like purchasing from them would've made a difference. Be glad you got a responce.
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sorry but can't say that i agri whith you !
here is the lataest respond:
From: CALMINI Products Inc [mailto:sales|removethispart|@calmini.com]
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 12:21 AM
To: 'hanan shvartzman'
Subject: Email reply
Sir-
From your post it appears that you did not feel our email customer service was helpful. Please let us know if you have any suggestions.Best Regards
Sales Department
CALMINI Products Inc.
Ph: 800-345-3305
sales|removethispart|@calmini.com
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Wow they must have new management or something!
I'll end by saying this.
I've been around these little trucks BEFORE they were released in the US. I've seen Calmini go from being thee premeir people to deal with about after market parts to being rude and obnoxious. Burn me once shame on you, burn me twice shame on me. There ain't gonna be a third time. I'm glad your being treated better than I was.
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ofcourse im sorry to hear that ,
but they sure know how to make a lift :-\
btw
i sent them some photos from my axcle -and wating them for to respond
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