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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: adamd on December 30, 2004, 08:58:39 AM
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Hey giys stupid question... My Dad told me not to do water crossings because if I get stuck I have to drain the diff oil? I know about hydrolocking the engine and turning it into a large paper weight, but what other things can go wrong?
If I have a snorkel can I do deep x'ings without water getting in the diffs?
Thanks! Adam
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a snorkel has nothing to do with the diffs. you need to extend the hose thats on the diff. the rear one goes up into the drivers side rear 1/4 panel and the front one is hooked to the upper rad hose.
stu
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a snorkel has nothing to do with the diffs.  you need to extend the hose thats on the diff.  the rear one goes up into the drivers side rear 1/4 panel and the front one is hooked to the upper rad hose.
stu
I just re-read my post and it sounds dumb. Sorry... lol
I just meant, how does water get in, if I am in constant motion will the water stay out. If I had a snorkle I was thinking that I wouldn't stall... Anyway, you answered my question with the hose extension... Cheers!
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normally you stall not because of the engine inhaling water, more because your electronics get wet and cut the ignition to the motor. Water proof your disty and coil somehow and you shouldn't have much problem.
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When I'm going to cross deep water I will pull over and have lunch or take a long break and let the diffs cool so they don't suck water in through the pinion seals,x-fer case seals ect. the seals are a one-way kind of thing with out putting pressure on the diff or case they will suck water in when hot!
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So should I divert some turbo boost to the
diff vents to keep the water out ;)
Wild
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That might help! or have somebody come up with a way to run dual seals, one of them reversed 8)
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It pays to extend the gear box and transfer case breather as well they are located at the back of your motor, it's a single hose with a small cap on it. You could run them with the front diff one up the side of your snorkel perhaps.
If your rubber boot around the shifter levers are broken or not fitted correctly water can get directly into your T/case, not a good thing ;D
The G/box one however normally won't get into the box but will sit around where the lever goes in eventual rusting the ball end and making shifting a little lumpy.
I've got a hole thru the shifter housing there now so water runs out and I pack a lot of grease in their to keep it lubed.
Water in the diff's especially the front (due to the seals as stated above) is always a problem so be sure when you get home to let it sit for a while (that way the oil will sit on the bottom) and then oil sample ALL your oils. You only need to drop the bung and take half a cup and you'll know if you've got water or not.
If you've got a snorkel and didn't fit it yourself be sure to check it's sealed 110% then check for any drain holes in the air box etc that need to be blocked or put a tap in their place.
The Electrical system under the hood I use a water dissipater spray before I leave to go wheeling and then I spray it a few times a day when we stop for a break etc. If I do this I have no missing problems even with bonnet deep crossings but when I forget to spray and then have to spray after it's gotten wet I generally end up with it playing up.
I wouldn't advise deep crossings alone as they have a tendency to go bad, the zook's are too light and start to float which leave you no control over whats happening.
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So should I divert some turbo boost to the
diff vents to keep the water out ;)
Wild
That would be awesome. 8)
*drink more beer*
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I wouldn't advise deep crossings alone as they have a tendency to go bad, the zook's are too light and start to float which leave you no control over whats happening.
I've seen Suzuki's wash down stream before in swift current up to the floorboards.
~Nate
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Unfortunately I cant post a pic of my tracker floating because I dont have a pic handy, but it took a couple shots to get it watertight.
best to have the carpet out first, if not you'll take it out to get the stagnant water out of it later when it starts to smell. with the carpet out, you'll also see where the water is coming in so you can seal it up for next time. there is two big knockouts where wiring for power windows wiring go to the door, check that too. if youre leaking around the door, put a thin, 1/8 thick 1 inch wide bead of urethan on the edge the rubber seal hits against for a more positive seal
Moving the breather holes up will not be sufficient, had to move mine inside. The tracker is nose heavy, the waterline is from between the grill and hood and just above the rear bumper. If you go in too fast (the fun way) you'll have water over your hood. Rear is not a problem, is good where its at.
shifter boot (the lower one) make sure is on, Mister transmission forgot to put a clamp on my tcase after the clutchjob, so that was not on when I went in, flodded the tcase.
ignition is a PITA, the wires will seal with ignition protector, though best to have a new set and seal it. nicely coat the distributor, plug up the vent. Doesnt matter how much I seal it up, I always get a bit of water in there, though not enough to stall, just miss every now and then. Condesation?
Best to let car cool down first, hot exhaust and engine block dont like being dunked in water, though I have not had a problem yet. (cat is hollowed out)
Have some basic tools handy, first time will probably require wrenching after. When you get home, always check the oil in everything, shaft seals are not designed to be dunbked into 4 feet of water, may leak water in even if youre not leaking water out. Dont try to poressurise it, you'll blow the seals out even with 1psi. just go in when the diff is cold.
DO NOT LET IT STALL! starters dont work under water, clutches dont grab wet, might work eventually, only had to back out once, grabbed after 30 mins of full power slipping trying to backout of a hole before I had my snorkle. THere is friction on the plates, eventually water will turn to steam and the centrifugal action of the clutch will throw water out, but dont try iot if you dont have to
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and while you're letting the mechanicals cool down before plunging in, how about wading through the water to check depth & base condition?
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mine floats, I dont normally care for depth, I'm tied off to whoever is behind me just in case. but you could go for a swim
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silicon spray seemed to do the trick on my eletrics as it puts a coat of seal over the Leads dizzy.
I tend to go into water slowly and hope that it cools slowly, But most of the time people are watching and the evil in me comes out and I have to try and splash them
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Just for the fun of it, I thought you might want to see what happens when a county road turns into a nightmare. It was night and there was a downgrade and there was snow on top, so it looked like gravel. But about 200 feet out it turned out to be 5 feet of water and my kick sunk like a rock. luckly I had a roof rack and climbed out on top. Jumped over to some solid ice and called a few sammy friends. A couple weeks later when the ice melted we was able to winch it out. Not Fun when the waters like 10 degrees. Anyway heres a pic of it. Email me for a pic.
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email the pic i will host it for you mark|removethispart|@markyb.co.uk and put it on here
but here is a sad lucky Kick in the UK
The start is good
(http://www.k9rdj.co.uk/buildwas/010204%20041.jpg)
(http://www.k9rdj.co.uk/buildwas/colin3.jpg)
(http://www.k9rdj.co.uk/buildwas/k9rdj%20woops1.JPG)
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any idea if that was a write off? looks pretty bad
how do extended breather hoses do anything? mine are just capped off so water cant get through them... and does the breather hose help the seals hold water out?
Andrew
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any idea if that was a write off? looks pretty bad
how do extended breather hoses do anything? mine are just capped off so water cant get through them... and does the breather hose help the seals hold water out?
Andrew
Wasn't a write off, But it took him awhile to get it going again. Full story here http://www.k9rdj.co.uk/
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No not a write off..... He fixed it, here is his web site
http://www.k9rdj.co.uk
He did have a full story on that.
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dont forget about the ecm being right behind the drivers front speaker . this is never good to get wet . :'(
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how do extended breather hoses do anything? mine are just capped off so water cant get through them... and does the breather hose help the seals hold water out
look closer, those caps are not water tight they just keep big stuff out.