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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: chriskid74 on January 24, 2005, 01:51:24 PM
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I have the chance to buy a front housing out of a XLT and had a few questions. Its an auto and the place I`m buying it says its 5:12 ring and pinion, is this true? I`m getting the housing, third member, axle shafts and hubs for $500. Does that sound fair? And I was wondering if it would bolt right in or is there going to be a problem with mounting the third member? If so could I still use it? Any info would help alot. Thanks.
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I think your trying to find one out of a GV that has a 5 spd, That wil make it a steel unit.
I don't know about the XL-7s 3rd.
Gear wise, I don't think they used the 5:12 in the GV cause they had the V-6s.
I'm sure someone more in the know will chime in. ;D
just my 2cents for the day.
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Yes I think the GV XL-7 did use the 5.13... Or so it said on Car-parts.com $500 for XL-7 stuff is a steep investment. I've been shopping and it sounds in the range, but I myself will hold out and spend my $500 elsewhere.
I'm still not up to speed on the XL-7's air operated diff. I understand that it is a disengauge unit but not quite sure how the pieces fit in place and how this effects the housing.
I thought the XL-7 front in a Kick would be set up with a Non Air operated 26 spline diff (modified Sammy maybe) and use 26 spline kick shafts... (I recall some one saying XL-7's were longer).
Still to many unknowns for me. A steel housing is a necessity, but for $500 and having the Diff, CV Shafts, and Hubs that I might not use. The Extra pieces are only a benifit if you are goint to use them or sell them.
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500 bucks
I thought that was good :-/
All wrecking yards in my nieghborhood uses the same price guide (it's not used, its Original Equipment so stick it to them!)
But it was an Emergancy buy, I broke the stock one.
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I have a complete 2002 GV front end for $350
It is not steel though
Contact direct if interested 16ltoy|removethispart|@msn.com
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I have the chance to buy a front housing out of a XLT and had a few questions.
Is this even a Suzuki trim level (XLT)? Are we talking about a XL-7 or a TrackVit? I thought XLT was a Chevy Tracker trim level. Just asking :-*.
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I'm assuming it's all steel front end...
Lets see:
Anvil:  $589.95
New Steal Third member:  $250
Set up of R&P if you can't do it your self:  $200
Possiable replacement shafts:  $150
Hubs:  Not sure lets say $40
Total:  $1229.95
And if the shafts are longer how much longer?  Could a widend front end fix this problem?
It sounds like a good price to me.  Unless anyone can give you a better price?  I check the junk yards for a steal carrier and there wasn't any.  Or if they did it was as a full assembly like your getting and that was around an $800 + price tag.  And thats with out the CV's and hubs.
I ended up having to drive an hour (one way)to order a new carrier, and then another hour to pick it up 2 months latter.  They were back ordered last summer.  Then it was closer to $300 after taxes.  Also I went with the Anvil, who at the time was $500.  So I still have $800 in the front end and that doesn't count the ARB or the R&P (5.83 = $300)  After those two little options that equals:  $1700!!!
WOW!  Who says zuks are cheap?
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XLT is a Ford trim line! ;D
My wife has an Escape XLT V6
Cwkick
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New Steal Third member: $250
If you have to pay $250 to steal a third member, why don't you shell out another $20 and BUY a new STEEL one?
(Yes, do you see that this is humor?)
8)
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I'm assuming it's all steel front end...
Lets see:
Anvil: $589.95
New Steal Third member: $250
Set up of R&P if you can't do it your self: $200
Possiable replacement shafts: $150
Hubs: Not sure lets say $40
Total: $1229.95
And if the shafts are longer how much longer? Could a widend front end fix this problem?
It sounds like a good price to me. Unless anyone can give you a better price? I check the junk yards for a steal carrier and there wasn't any. Or if they did it was as a full assembly like your getting and that was around an $800 + price tag. And thats with out the CV's and hubs.
I ended up having to drive an hour (one way)to order a new carrier, and then another hour to pick it up 2 months latter. They were back ordered last summer. Then it was closer to $300 after taxes. Also I went with the Anvil, who at the time was $500. So I still have $800 in the front end and that doesn't count the ARB or the R&P (5.83 = $300) After those two little options that equals: $1700!!!
WOW! Who says zuks are cheap?
This could be funny to see people's reactions!
It sounds like its getting up there to the price of SAS...
~Nate
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I'm assuming it's all steel front end...
Lets see:
Anvil:  $589.95
New Steal Third member:  $250
Set up of R&P if you can't do it your self:  $200
Possiable replacement shafts:  $150
Hubs:  Not sure lets say $40
Total:  $1229.95
And if the shafts are longer how much longer?  Could a widend front end fix this problem?
It sounds like a good price to me.  Unless anyone can give you a better price?  I check the junk yards for a steal carrier and there wasn't any.  Or if they did it was as a full assembly like your getting and that was around an $800 + price tag.  And thats with out the CV's and hubs.
I ended up having to drive an hour (one way)to order a new carrier, and then another hour to pick it up 2 months latter.  They were back ordered last summer.  Then it was closer to $300 after taxes.  Also I went with the Anvil, who at the time was $500.  So I still have $800 in the front end and that doesn't count the ARB or the R&P (5.83 = $300)  After those two little options that equals:  $1700!!!
WOW!  Who says zuks are cheap?
This could be funny to see people's reactions!
Ok here's some Sarcastic funny  ;)  ...
Hope no one finds it ofensive but in reality it is no far off from true.
Lets see:
Anvil:  $589.95
Sammy rear steel 3rd,  Free (got 5 or 6 here laying around)  Aftermarket4x4.com  would probally sell used ones cheap if you are looking for a set.
Set up of R&P if you can't do it your self:  I can....  FREE
Possiable replacement shafts:  Swap out the 26 spline stuff with my 1998 Daily driver (Free)
Hubs:  Same Daily Driver swap (free)
Add  $11.05  For fabbing up a New pinion to cross memeber mount for the Sammy third.
Total:  $600  + shipping of the Anvil
OR
If I can fab up some factory style mounts to a modified steel Sammy or Kick rear housing up front with the necessary Drivers side shaft suppor bearing... ÂÂ
If I make that jump I should be able to do it all for less the $100....  Still don't see enough reasone to make it happen until I can fab up or buy some shafts.  I'm not comfortable with the stock 26 spline stuff locked up front with 35's
But the down side is being a junk man and having piles O crap laying every where.... ÂÂ
Aint web wheelin fun...  it's amazing how cheap you can build it in your head online....  But it is backing it all up on the trails that makes it count.
Is it Feb yet,  I need my next Rock star fix...
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the trim is LXT and its a tracker. Prob V6 auto and it will be all alum. so no good to you! I just looked at one locally. plus I think they had 4.30:1 gears or something like that.
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Steel not Steal :P :P :P I get it!
What I'm running is the same as a lot of people, aside from the ARB (wich is around $600, so give or take what your will).
Like most people here, I don't have a junkyard to go through, and with work and family I don't have the time to drive 20 miles and go through the one's around hear to look for what I might need. Or posible deals.
Plus, I've done a lot of "This should be a cheap project because I have most of the materials" and they don't ever end up being as cheep as I thought.
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XLT is a Ford trim line! ;D
My wife has an Escape XLT V6
Cwkick
Beat me to it ;)
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I talked to the yard again they said its a 2003 XL-7 Vitara, with 5:13 gears (auto). They also said its steel. I`m going to take a magnet when I go look at it.
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I talked to the yard again they said its a 2003 XL-7 Vitara, with 5:13 gears (auto). They also said its steel. I`m going to take a magnet when I go look at it.
From everything I've read, if it's an auto, it's not steel.
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if its an 03 it should be steel AT or Man. Before that man only for steel. In the Xl-7 line the auto has 5.12's and Man. has 4.3. R&P's As far as the mount goes you will need to fab something up. The a GV housing would be bolt in deal. So that would be the way I would try to go.
George
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You won't need a magnet. The aluminum are a silver color and the steEl ones are black and rusty.
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the trim is LXT and its a tracker. Prob V6 auto and it will be all alum. so no good to you! I just looked at one locally. plus I think they had 4.30:1 gears or something like that.
This is why I asked. I got the LT Tracker and as far as I know there is no steel third factory in the Tracker.
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I thought only steel fronts went into the Sidekicks. That's why I had to drive to Lansing to a Zuki dealer so I could order one. It was the closest one around.
If the Trackers had one I could have just went 2 miles down the road and ordered one. Plus the junk yards around here have Trackers, not Sidekicks, so a used one would have been cheaper.
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I thought only steel fronts went into the Sidekicks.
They are in the GrandVitara 5speed and the XL-7s. Even if Chevy had one you would have been better off buying it at the Suzuki dealership. Chevy charges more at there parts department so I go to Suzuki's parts department to get parts for my Tracker. I just tell them it's a GrandVitara which it is ::)
SUZUKI in CHEVY clothing ;D
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I talked to the yard again they said its a 2003 XL-7 Vitara, with 5:13 gears (auto). They also said its steel. I`m going to take a magnet when I go look at it.
They are easy to tell a part as theres slight differences between the steel and alloy heres what to look for ..
The middle one is alloy and outer ones steel.
(http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/cv 026.jpg)
The Alloy has an extra gusset under the long side and four bolts on the end vs three bolts on the steel one.
(http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/cv 027.jpg)
Steel has four bolts vs three bolts for the alloy on the short side (you'd figure it would be the other way around ???)
(http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/cv 025.jpg)
The alloy is filleted behind the short side mount and the steel is solid (once again you'd think it should be the other way ???)
HTH Mudfkr
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May I please have one of those steel housings sent to 123 Dirt Road Virginia Beach, VA. Also if it's not to much trouble can you include the steel third with gears to match an "04 Tracker. One other thing can this all be done for free via FedEx.
Thank you very much
;D ;D
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They are easy to tell a part as theres slight differences between the steel and alloy heres what to look for ..
I've had alloy housings with both types of fixings. The rust and the weight is the easiest way to tell them apart.
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May I please have one of those steel housings sent to 123 Dirt Road Virginia Beach, VA. Also if it's not to much trouble can you include the steel third with gears to match an "04 Tracker. One other thing can this all be done for free via FedEx.
Thank you very much
;D ;D
I'll tell ya what,
Seems you asked so nicely, you pay for the FedEx Charges and you can have one of those housings minus the 3rd thou ;D.
Mudfkr
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I've had alloy housings with both types of fixings. The rust and the weight is the easiest way to tell them apart.
The steel one I got out of the diesel Vitara had so much oil over we couldn't tell when it was on the trucklet, We were robbing the 4.3 gears out of it for my mate who I gave the other 4.3s out of my first one for his Sammy and got a hell of a shock to find out it was steel. The best part was we were only charged for a alloy one cause they didn't realize it was steel either ;D
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I've had a good week 'cause I just picked up a GV steel third and housing for USD$300 here in OZ  ;D Pity the it's an air actuated diff as the 26 spline shaft won't go straight in with my ARB. Might see about a trim and respline. Might be able to sell the 4.3 r&p to a Sammi owner.
As for the 3 and 4 bolt fixings on each end of the housing, well I've seen every permutation on alloy housings. Suzuki just kept playing with different mountings. There are even castings where they could have put the 4th bolt but they haven't tapped it. And sometimes some of the holes are drilled and tapped right through into the housing and sometimes they are blind holes.
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They are in the GrandVitara 5speed and the XL-7s. Even if Chevy had one you would have been better off buying it at the Suzuki dealership. Chevy charges more at there parts department so I go to Suzuki's parts department to get parts for my Tracker. I just tell them it's a GrandVitara which it is ::)
SUZUKI in CHEVY clothing ;D
I use to work a the local Chevy dealer. So I can get employ prices. Plus the time and money saved... ;D