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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: trackinstile on January 10, 2005, 08:12:12 AM
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Ok, now before anyone gets angry with me, here's the thing, I've looked in the past posts and anything I can find is on the pre 99 TrackKicks. So here goes, I've just checked my oil consumption, from every oil change (|removethispart|@3,000 mile intervals). And since I bought it in August '03 its been exactly the same every time, on average it loses one and a half quarts every 3000 miles. No more, no less. Sometimes the way it uses it is diffrent. Sometimes it uses a half a quart in the first 500 miles I change it, sometimes it takes a thousand miles or more, but no matter what it's always the same in the end. (BTW I always check it weekly and never let it get more than a half quart low, I figure, hey, Suzuki wants a full 5 and a half quarts in it for some good reason right???)
The only time I goofed was when I first had it, I thought that the add mark meant 1 quart low like on just about every car and truck I ever owned, but, it turns out its already 2 quarts low at that point!!! I came across a service bullitin from Suzuki on this, so I know it's not just mine.
OOPS, forgot to mention its the 2.0, but hey, if your 2.7 V-6 is doing this, I'd like to hear. I've also been thinking about changing to synthetic, but the problem is that I know there is a slight leak around the PCV breather in the valve cover, I hear that most 2.0's do this and there is nothing you can do about it, the gasket is in good shape still, or at least so it seems. I know that using synthetic will leak a little more because it gets into smaller places than just plain old Dino Juice. So, what does your 99 and up Track/Vitara do???? Any opinions???Thanks, Dave ;D
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What brand and viscosity of oil?
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Sorry, forgot to mention that, it's Castrol 5-30. I've always done good with Castrol. Suzuki recomends 5 30 and I think 10 30 in the summer for these motors. Thanks, Dave ;D
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HEy, What????  With the dip stick;
O------------------------o-------o------] off the end way to low
I thought            ^      ^
                 full   one qt. low
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I have the 2.0L V6 and it use to leak oil from the rear crank shaft.
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HEy, What????  With the dip stick;
O------------------------o-------o------] off the end way to low
I thought            ^      ^
                 full   one qt. low
Yepper, thats exactly what my responce was too, but thats the honest to goodness truth. Now, I don't know about the pre 99 four bangers, but that's what it is with the newer ones. It may also be the same with the V-6's too but I'm not sure. ;D Dave
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Yeah, with the V-6 the lower hole is one quart low.
If you've got one of them DOHC engines (I think the 2.0L has DOHC), do NOT run 10W30 (and DEFINITELY do not run 10W30 on a V6!!!).
10W30 will cause your timing chain tensioners to fail every 40,000 miles. 5W30 is the only oil to run, if you've got the timing chains (I'm SO glad my two 95's have a timing BELT).
My wife's GV runs between 1 and 1.5 quarts per 3,000 miles too. (2.5 V6)
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So is the lower hole 1 qt low on a 1.6? Or have I been running 1 qt low for over 200,000 miles :-/
Zig
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So is the lower hole 1 qt low on a 1.6? Or have I been running 1 qt low for over 200,000 miles :-/
Zig
Yup, the lower hole is 1 quart low.
Well, in reality, it's probably 1 LITRE low.
But that's close enough for me and the girls I run with.
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Yeah, with the V-6 the lower hole is one quart low.
If you've got one of them DOHC engines (I think the 2.0L has DOHC), do NOT run 10W30 (and DEFINITELY do not run 10W30 on a V6!!!).
10W30 will cause your timing chain tensioners to fail every 40,000 miles.  5W30 is the only oil to run, if you've got the timing chains (I'm SO glad my two 95's have a timing BELT).
My wife's GV runs between 1 and 1.5 quarts per 3,000 miles too.  (2.5 V6)
I'm glad you mentioned that. I've allways used 5-30 in it. I was thinking of using 10-30 in the summer months especially because of the noise I get when i first start it up in the morning, it doesn't do it every time, just a groaning noise, posted about it here a while back but no one else seems to have that problem, I thought it was the cam bearing in the front. Does anybody see any bennefits to using synthetic??? And btw, it is an OHC. Thanks for the tip on the chain tensioner. I really had no idea. Thanks Dave ;D
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I was thinking of using 10-30 in the summer months especially because of the noise I get when i first start it up in the morning, it doesn't do it every time, just a groaning noise,  posted about it here a while back but no one else seems to have that problem, I thought it was the cam bearing in the front.
Rut roh Davey.  That sounds real familiar!
My wife's GV had the timing chain tensioners go bad at 40,000 miles AND 80,000 miles.  You see, the Suzuki Owner's Manual says "run 5W30 OR 10W30".  So, the tensioners were replaced at 40,000 by the dealer, and at 80,000 by ME - When you have it torn down far enough to replace the tensioners, replacing the pistons and crankshaft would be about an extra 30 minutes work.  I took pics of the whole process, and I'm working on the document (already 15 pages, with color photos and exact tools noted).
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OOOFFFFF!!!!! Just out of curiosity, what did the noise do exactly. Mine is like a groaning noise. It only lasts for a second. USually gets worse when the oil is near 3,000 miles. Or, like yseterday, it did it after I changed the oil the first time I started it, then it went away and hasn't done it since. Thing is, it doesn't do it every time, and lately, not much at all. When you get the info ready can you post it for us to see??? Thanks for all the responses. Dave ;D
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Well, it sorta sounds like a bicycle chain scraping over sheet metal.
Timing Chain Tensioners. Oh happy, happy day.
I'll have to find a place to host my .PDF file...
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Yepper, thats the sound. Boy, you're really good at describing that, much better than I am, very original, and yet, acruate ;D. Did yours make the noise at start up or all the time? And, how long did it do it for before you got the tensioner replaced. Mine seems to be getting better. Thanks again, Dave ;D
PS, anyone else out there with this problem too???? ::)
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Hey Bobzuki let em know where you end up hosting the .pdf or you could email it to me if ya want. I just bought a GV v6 and it has the pan off already so I could do it know while it is semi apart, it has 32000 miles on already. Thanks
Jacob
oh is the XL7 2.7l crank diff that the GV 2.5l crank? Where did you get the Crank and pistons?
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Hey Bobzuki, umm just one more thing (in the voice of Columbo) Did you use 10- 30 the whole time or did you use 5-30, or both? Thanks again, Dave ;D
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Hey Bobzuki, umm just one more thing (in the voice of Columbo)  Did you use 10- 30 the whole time or did you use 5-30, or both?  Thanks again,  Dave ;D
Used both - 5W30 in cold weather, and 10W30 in warm weather - now, it's 5W30 all the time!!! Oh, and she's up to 123,000 miles, and still no timing chain sounds!
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Well, that's good. I guess it's a lot of highway miles huh? How bad did the noise get before you realized that you had to change the tensioners? Mine hasn't made the noise for a week now. And how long do you think it can go with them on their way out? Thanks, Dave ;D
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I guess it's a lot of highway miles huh?  How bad did the noise get before you realized that you had to change the tensioners?  Mine hasn't made the noise for a week now.  And how long do you think it can go with them on their way out?  Thanks,  Dave ;D
Well, not exactly highway miles... It's not city miles either - twisty little roads up and down the mountains - HARD driving - about 70 miles a day.
It got pretty noticable, before we did anything about it - and it's not like I think the chain would ever break, or jump a tooth - maybe just get sloppy, and give you some "shift" in your valve timing. But then I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure though that the V6 is an interference engine - if you break a chain, you probably WILL put a valve through the top of a piston...
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I know we're getting a little off the original, but to answer the first post, I used to have an oil consumption problem (1-1.5 qts/3000 miles) until I switched to the Castrol extended life dino juice. Now I'm down to about .5 to .75 per 3000 miles. I'm convinced it made a difference in my trucklet; anyone else have the same/different results? In addition, what's the concensus on 10-40 in an engine with 140,000 miles on the original engine? Average use is 85 miles per day commuting, mostly at highway speeds (55-65 MPH) and a warmer climate (SC).
Thanks, Bubbazuki
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Oh yeah, the original question...... Hey, the timing chain thing got me off my short little attention span ::). Now, I use regular Castrol and a Purolater oil filter (Never did answer THAT question before either) Is that a partial synthetic??? Thanks, Dave
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When i had the swift motor in my samuri the rear main went. I used to drive it till it ticked ,then fill it back up. :P
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That's why I had to rebuild my
last engine, and turn the crank
20 under, it ticked and I had none
to put into it :P
Wild
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OOP's ;D. It ate a valve .My buddy kyle was like"what are we gonna do" I was like ...."walk" ::).
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Thats a little more than an oops
Is that the new PCV system ???
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OOP's ;D. It ate a valve .My buddy kyle was like"what are we gonna do" I was like ...."walk" ::).
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Thats a good answer. Anybody else use the Castrol we were talking about earlier?
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Thats a good answer.  Anybody else use the Castrol we were talking about earlier?
I had VAlvoline in that machine. I'm gonna start running AM'S Oil again ;).
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Funny you should mention that. My Dad bought Valvoline ONCE, back in the early seventies when I was a kid. He said it ruined the cam in his 73 Chevy Pickup with a 350. Don't know if it really did or not, but he blamed it on that and never bought it again. Me neither. The reason I got Castrol was when I first met my wife about 13 years ago her dad only used it. They had two Ford Festivas, (remember them??) Just basic 4 cyl 4 speed (nope, not even a five speed) and that's all he used, sometimes he'd go 6 or7000 miles between oil changes, and those things still ran good.. I was sold, and I've used it ever since, never had a problem really either. ;D