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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: Shogun on December 20, 2004, 04:28:00 PM
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Thought we'd finally get around to posting the pics of our 1997 4 door Tracker we finished lifting about a week ago. This truck carries our 7" combo lift which clears 31s / 32s with no trimming. It utilizes our 4" coilover suspension lift and 3" body. The 4" kit includes coilovers front and springs and shocks rear, and all hardware needed. It is completly bolt in, no cutting. Will fit 30s suspension only, no trimming.
Lift is just out of prototype stage and into production. There is also stage 2, coming in the new year, that has custom A arms which provide 1" more lift and relocate axle 1 inch forward. Stage 3, late in the year, 2" more lift. All bolt on and are upgrades from stage 1, you can add at any time. The most common thing we hear is how nice the ride is, literally takes speed bumps better than a minivan. Street drive is awesome, and offroad capabilities excellent.
Thought we'd let you know what's going on in the shop, will be posting pics of a black Sami build we just finished soon. And we are finally getting around to building Pams factory half door, with a 1.6L auto, dana 44, coils, etc. Will keep you up to date. ;)
Geoff
(http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/97 4dr Coilover 1.jpg)
(http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/97 4dr Coilover 2.jpg)
(http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/97 4dr Coilover 3.jpg)
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We don't want to see the truck,
Show us the parts ;D
Wild
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forget the parts..show us a price and order form :D
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Coilovers? :o Did you'll make a custom upper A arm for the front to use a Coilover instead of a strut? It looks great 8) How is the ride and flex?
Zig
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It's a coilover strut, Zig. When you install the lift, you bolt in our coilover strut, and throw your stock spring that goes to the lower a-arm in the trash. I should point out that this also takes load off of your ball joint, extending it's life.
 The ride is awsome, and flex is decent as well. We'll post up some flex pics when we do the next one, as the 4dr wasn't around long before someone bought it.(1 day to be exact)
We do not have an order form, but we can be reached at (403) 236-5888
Thanks for the interest!<----Jay
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How much $$$$?
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Thought we'd finally get around to posting the pics of our 1997 4 door Tracker we finished lifting about a week ago.  This truck carries our 7" combo lift which clears 31s / 32s with no trimming.  It utilizes our 4" coilover suspension lift and 3" body.  The 4" kit includes coilovers front and springs and shocks rear, and all hardware needed.  It is completly bolt in, no cutting.  Will fit 30s suspension only, no trimming.
Lift is just out of prototype stage and into production.  There is also stage 2, coming in the new year, that has custom A arms which provide 1" more lift and relocate axle 1 inch forward.  Stage 3, late in the year, 2" more lift.  All bolt on and are upgrades from stage 1, you can add at any time.  The most common thing we hear is how nice the ride is, literally takes speed bumps better than a minivan.  Street drive is awesome, and offroad capabilities excellent.
Thought we'd let you know what's going on in the shop, will be posting pics of a black Sami build we just finished soon.  And we are finally getting around to building Pams factory half door, with a 1.6L auto, dana 44, coils, etc.  Will keep you up to date. ;)
Geoff
([url]http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/97[/url] 4dr Coilover 1.jpg)
([url]http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/97[/url] 4dr Coilover 2.jpg)
([url]http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/97[/url] 4dr Coilover 3.jpg)
Doesn't look very high for 7" of lift. Also, you can only fit 30" tires on the 4" lift ??? I had 30x9.50's on my 4 door when it was stock height. Did you get a chance to wheel the rig before you sold it? I'm wondering how you liked the coilover setup on hills?
Brian
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Yeah... it looks about like what I've seen with 2" coil spacers and a 3" body lift.
Can we get any measurement shots when you do another one?
I'm interested in the flex though, coilovers are a good idea.
Heather
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I've searched on the net for a few minutes, trying to understand the coilover-strut thing. I believe I get it now, is it a strut with a coil built in ??? ??? Looks very neat Thumbs up!!
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It's a coilover strut, Zig. When you install the lift, you bolt in our coilover strut, and throw your stock spring that goes to the lower a-arm in the trash. I should point out that this also takes load off of your ball joint, extending it's life.
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Cool, I did not know that you could use a coilover as a structural part of an IFS 8) I just thought they had coilover shocks :P
Zig
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The front and rear of my Caviler is IFS/IRS
and uses a coilover strut, but these guys
would be too soft for offroad
Wild
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now you guys have me wondering...is it the full lift it says it is? and im still wondering about the price =\
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import cars have coil over struts as upgrades. They all have the coil around the strut stock anyways.
what have you done to strengthen the strut towers? I don't think they are strong enough stock to handle the load of the vehicle since stock all(or most) is transfereed through the coil to the frame?
I will be installing one of these kits very soon(you have been talking to Al at can4x4) and would like a few more details please! I am glad to see a CDN supplier stepping up to the plate!
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A strut tower brace would help to
remove the extra stress the towers
will see, the towers can use support
even without springs pushing on them,
they move around quite easily
Wild
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Agreed, without some help the strut towers are rather flimsy.
The suspention lift is absolutely 4". Next one that goes in will have pics that prove! Till then, please try to keep in mind that the original post was for the purpose of gathering oppinions on the concept, and we didn't think proof of the lift size would be required. 8) Next time however, I'll post tape measure pics, and mabey even a shot of Geoff sticking his head between the tire and fenderwell! (Geoff has AT LEAST a 7-1/2" melon!) heh heh.
As for the price.....This kit is not yet in the full production stage, and still being sold as a "one off" The price of the kit will change as it develops. That's why it is best to call Geoff at the number posted above and talk to him personally about pricing.
Chet-- You must be the lucky dog that's getting the free bee! Can't wait to see how you like it.<----Jay
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I'm sure I will like it! 8) I will be sure to give it a thourough thrashing for you! My biggest problem will be holding myself back I used to have a toyota on 37's etc and now a sidekick on 30's?
Somehow I will have to refrain from taking some of my favorite trails for a while!
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Agreed, without some help the strut towers are rather flimsy.
The suspention lift is absolutely 4". Next one that goes in will have pics that prove! Till then, please try to keep in mind that the original post was for the purpose of gathering oppinions on the concept, and we didn't think proof of the lift size would be required. 8) Next time however, I'll post tape measure pics, and mabey even a shot of Geoff sticking his head between the tire and fenderwell! (Geoff has AT LEAST a 7-1/2" melon!) heh heh.
As for the price.....This kit is not yet in the full production stage, and still being sold as a "one off" The price of the kit will change as it develops. That's why it is best to call Geoff at the number posted above and talk to him personally about pricing.
Chet-- You must be the lucky dog that's getting the free bee! Can't wait to see how you like it.<----Jay
I personally think it's a great concept, and that we need more choices for lifts. Great idea showing us a lifted 4 door pic.. ;D I love 4 doors.
I hope this does well, and I can't wait to see pics!
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Thanks, Heather!
Chet- I don't think you'll be stuck with 30's for very long.
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The front and rear of my Caviler is IFS/IRS
and uses a coilover strut, but these guys
would be too soft for offroad
Wild
All caviler's have a beam rear axle. plus the coils sit seperate from the rear shock. I dont know about the whole coilover tracker front. those strut towers are realt weak.
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Good idea,but I m worried about the use of stock upper shock mounts.I dont think they can hold the stress that a coilover set up produces.Whatever truck I ve seen till now that goes to coilovers,uses extra strenghtened mounts welded on the frame.(and more like roll cage extensions).I was thinking of installing coilovers (King )but everyone told me that coilovers and stock Sidekick mounts are not a good idea.
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yes pics please! let see some hardware some flex, and just skip to stage 2 would ya' nobody wants stage1. am i right guys?? the more lift the better
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All caviler's have a beam rear axle. plus the coils sit seperate from the rear shock. I dont know about the whole coilover tracker front. those strut towers are realt weak.
My 98 has a spring on top of the shock,
bolted to the body, I called it a coilover,
it might not be exactly that, but close enough.
You are right it is a beam rear axle not
an IRS as I was thinking it was.
The coil spring and the shock come out in
one piece, so I called it a coil over, I can post
a pic to show you guys what it looks like, the
spring rides way up high, not like a coilover
you would see on an aftermarket suspension
Wild
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No coils in the stock location = A LOT of room for realy big CV'S!!!!!!
But struts tower brace is extremely necessary.
and yeah, 6" minimum please!
Fredo
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Mcpherson struts!!!
Any car with Mcpherson stuts (almost all front wheen drive cars) are coil over struts. So if you want to see what one looks like, just stick you head in the wheel well of almost any FWD car you see.
Also, I'm with thouse about the weak strut towers of the tracker. I've hear people bending them as they are.
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If you think Coilovers are sexy,
you should see how Mcpherson struts ;D
Thanks,
I've been away from front wheel drive
too long, since I had an 82' Scirocco
I still miss that car :'(
Wild
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its nice to see poeple developing parts for the kicks now.
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I can't say that I'm really impressed :-/ I gotta agree with everyone on questioning the strength of those towers ??? if thats a 4" suspension lift how did you address the cv's they won't last long unless you've dropped the front axle. You just mention the axle being moved on your stage 2 kit? ???
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The strut towers in a Trak/kick are not strong enough. That is being addressed in the kit. We have not had any trouble with cv's yet, but we're not quite finished thrashing on it yet either.(still testing)
 The stage II is an option to run bigger tires without cutting the firewall side of the wheel well. It includes A-arms and bushings. The reason for making this optional, is that the price of the kit will be more attractive to people who do not plan to run 32" tires or bigger.
I can't say that I'm really impressed
.....Sorry to hear that, but thanks for the oppinion.All of your thoughts help us to develop our product. 8) <---Jay
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god, give the guy a break, jesus christ, their tryin to devolop soemthing new for trackers give him a break.
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cant wait to see it on the trail!!! great idea, keep us informed, and try not to pull a calmini or RRO on us (you all know what i mean) ;)
shane
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cant wait to see it on the trail!!! great idea, keep us informed, and try not to pull a calmini or RRO on us (you all know what i mean) ;)
shane
;D ;D ;D
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im still waiting to see some prices =\
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im still waiting to see some prices =\
mee too, wondring what it costs to have these lifts
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yea exactly. im wondering cost and full release date...i don't wanna get calmini and in a week something with bigger lift is released...i'd be PISSED! so hook all of us up with the answers :P
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yea exactly. im wondering cost and full release date...i don't wanna get calmini and in a week something with bigger lift is released...i'd be PISSED! so hook all of us up with the answers :P
amen brotha ;D
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Freakin AWESOME!!!.. I cant wait for a release date. ( so i emailed ) heheh.. Its good to see someone release some suspension for Zukes. I realize the market isnt huge but common.. Between the all the new products commin out for thease things, wheelin isnt going to be the same. And i for one am prayin for it. Hats off to Shogun for the update. Im just ITCHIN to break in my new Visa anyways.. Sorry Calmini, u may have just lost a sale.
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yea exactly. im wondering cost and full release date...i don't wanna get calmini and in a week something with bigger lift is released...i'd be PISSED! so hook all of us up with the answers :P
See that would mean that I would get the lift you would buy from calmini then you would buy the new lift. 8)
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I spoke with them last week. They have some have some minor issues to work out before it will be ready for mass shipping. They are only building custom lifts right now for local customers. Seemed like really nice people and willing to talk. If you have any questions I would suggest e-mailing them directly or calling them.
For you US people you will get a bit of a break on cost due to the difference in dollar. Me personally I can't wait!
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See that would mean that I would get the lift you would buy from calmini then you would buy the new lift. 8)
haha u just better realize u won't be cut a break on the cost of the calmini lift...if i'd only run it for a few weeks and buy the other u'd still pay just about full cost for the calmini. and i know u wouldn't have that loot for a while..
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I would like a ballpark figure on price. I won't hold you too it, but I am currently searching for a lift and I can wait a little while, but if I don't get any rough estimates on time and price I will not wait on maybe's.
Thanks!
Adam
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We're looking at between 1000-1300 canadian dollars. We'll have a closer amount by the end of January.
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i gotta wait that long?! DAMNIT! >:(
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i gotta wait that long?! DAMNIT!  >:(
You've waiting this long with out even knowing about it. Whats one more month? ;D
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We're looking at between 1000-1300 canadian dollars. We'll have a closer amount by the end of January.
Soo...
~ $823 - 1070 american dollars.
Not too bad.. possibly compete with Calmini pretty well there.
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You've waiting this long with out even knowing about it. Whats one more month? ;D
yea but when u wait without knowing it doesnt' hurt :'(
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is there or will there be a website we can check out the progress possibly just some info on the different stages and whats planned etc. etc. and pics.
shane
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Are you guys using a stock strut or is it a all new setup. Does it have more travel than an OME?
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More travel. The original struts are a little weak in the travel department.
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Will this system work on the "newer" GV's and xl-7's???
George
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SUZUKI
SAMURAI/SIDEKICK/TRACKER
4" Susp Coil Over Lifts $995.00
7" Combo - $1350.00
SHOGUN ENTERPRISES
1-403-236-5888
found this on local buysell website
www.buysell.com
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those would be CDN prices too! :P
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SUZUKI
SAMURAI/SIDEKICK/TRACKER
4" Susp Coil Over Lifts $995.00
7" Combo - $1350.00
SHOGUN ENTERPRISES
1-403-236-5888
found this on local buysell website
www.buysell.com
Sweet deal you guys may be getting a call from me 8)
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Did you guys ever say what you were doing about the CV angles??? Just a thought.
George
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man that sounds like a hell of a deal. did you say that there will be stages? i would think that it would sell well that way. you could just buy a basic lift, or get rear control arms, 3rd link, A- arms, ect... i think its a great idea.
stu
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When our lift hit's the market, we want it to be a "stage system". Therefore if you buy the 4" kit, and later want to go to bigger tires, or more lift.....Instead of having to remove your old parts and sell them used (1/3rd of new as a rule of thumb), you can add to the base kit for a fraction of the price.
That works out much better than selling your old lift for peanuts, and dropping over a grand on a new kit that only gets you a couple inches ahead.
We are currently addressing issues with cv angles wearing prematurely, and breakage due to increased load. With 30-31" tires, the cv's sem to stand up pretty well considering the extreme driveline mods. We ARE looking into a "bigger" cv, though....heh heh
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I'd be interested in a 3-4 " body lift, I'm ready to buy asap and if it beats calmini's price you have your first sale... :d
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i have 31s on my sidetracker , all suspension and no body lift ( extreme angles ). the cvs are holding up great , but i keep breaking the axle where the splines go in the differential . this part of the axle seems to be weak and small . ( weakest link ) like a chain . :'( i do not think there will be a cv problem .
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I'd be interested in a 3-4 " body lift, I'm ready to buy asap and if it beats calmini's price you have your first sale... :d
I'm not trying to compete with Calmini's prices. What do they want for a bodylift, anyways?
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off the top of my head, about a 130 bucks.
stu
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usd?
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usd?
Yep. :(
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I'm not trying to compete with Calmini's prices. What do they want for a bodylift, anyways?
You come out with 2 products, a bodylift and a suspension lift, you will be competing with Calmini..... And Rocky Road, and Sky ..... and ...
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You come out with 2 products, a bodylift and a suspension lift, you will be competing with Calmini..... And Rocky Road, and Sky ..... and ...
Last time I checked Calmini had more than 2 products for the Sidekick! ;D ::)
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Last time I checked Calmini had more than 2 products for the Sidekick! ;D  ::)
I never said they didn't ::)
I mean if you come out with a suspension lift kit you WILL be competition.
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build it and they will come ;D
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Will this lift work on the GV? I have an '01 itchin for a lift.
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Will this lift work on the GV? I have an '01 itchin for a lift.
We'll be able to tell....soon. I'll post up as soon as I know. <---Jay