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ZUKIWORLD Model Specific Suzuki Forum => Suzuki Grand Vitara, Vitara, Chevy Tracker (Gen. 2 Platform) 1999-2005 => Topic started by: Yankee-Tim on December 18, 2006, 09:18:52 AM

Title: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: Yankee-Tim on December 18, 2006, 09:18:52 AM
Long time, no post.

Yup. I finally finished my house, sold & moved into my new house with a private rock-crawling playground.  Schweet.  ;D

The CALMINI 5.5" combo has worked EXTREMELY well, allowing me to expose all of Suzuki's weak links (which were many).  And while it worked very well for my driving style (hard and fast) and my wheeling style (slow and diliberate), it isn't right for my ole' lady, Shannon.  See, Shannon drives by braille.  She doesn't always pick the best line, and believes the skinny pedal is a better choice than backing up and trying again, or just using the winch.  This makes for broken rear axles (read: lotza buckos) and blown CVs.  So I need to make it bullet-proof, or should I say, Shannon-proof.

Soooo, I'm currently cleaning up a set of 1985 Toyota (AISIN) axles and it's t-case.  Plans are as follows.

Install All-Pro moly rear axles w/ disk brake conversion.  Front axle gets a Sky birfield eliminator kit. Both get 5.29 R&Ps, and a lot of doo-dads and foo-foo.

T-case will be the stock GV with CALMINI 4.24 t-case gears, lovingly worked over by OTT as a Kicker 2, married to a stock Toyota t-case with H/D input and output shafts.  These will turn H/D Yota driveshafts.

Still settling on s suspension system.  It will be 4link front and rear, with the decision to be made of coils and shocks, coil overs, or nitro gas shocks.  Prolly coil-overs dues to size constraints.

Ahhh, the joy of it. ;D
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: chet on December 18, 2006, 09:58:12 AM
sounds like a fun project!  ;D I would put longfields in the front axle though. stronger than any birf eliminator kit! with 35's it will be no problem.

also do you have the tcase reduction already? If not then buying toyota reduction gears will be cheaper and a better spot than in the suzuki tcase!

I will be starting to build something similar starting in the spring with a GV v6 swap in my 4 door kick and then toyota axles and YJ leafs all around.
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: Yankee-Tim on December 18, 2006, 11:36:45 AM
I already have the CALMINI gears in the t-case, so no need to spend more there.  I'm upgrading to the HD input to make sure it takes the extra torque.

Judging by the continued flack on Pirate, I don't think the super birf saga has ended.  I know Sky, and his stuff is quite well thought out and put together.  If Sky is telling me that the Barf elim will work on a v6 Toy with 37's, than it will be plenty fine for Shannon and 35's on a lighter and less powered GV.  I mean, if she breaks 4340 shafts AND 760x u-joints, then I will take away the keys.

besides, always nice to be a little different.


Why are you going with YJs on yer build?
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: chet on December 19, 2006, 08:38:59 AM
Ya the Sky stuff is nice. I am going Yj's because I'm cheap!  ;D And its simple. I had a full linked and coiled toyota before and too many bushings etc to worry about so leafs and a traction bar will work for me. Up our area stability take higher priority over amount of flex. lots of sidehillin and leaning into tress where a super flexy rig can almost be a bad thing.
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: Yankee-Tim on December 20, 2006, 12:56:42 PM
Ya the Sky stuff is nice. I am going Yj's because I'm cheap!  ;D

Er de facto, you own a Suzuki. ;D
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: Yankee-Tim on December 21, 2006, 09:42:37 AM
Guess I didn't mention everything I plan on doing.  In a box, I have a supercharger from a 96 'Yota Previa 4x4.  It's belt driven.

Hmmmm...Previa has a 2.4L, GV has a 2.5L.  Seems right on to me. >:D  The boost is low, so I'm not too worried about pressure.  Only concern is if the band is wide enuff on the 2.5 injectors to keep it from running too lean.  I bet the 2.7 injectors bolt in, and might help that if needed.

This should help push the beast a little faster when the bigger sneakers get put on.
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: cj on December 21, 2006, 11:38:19 AM
  Only concern is if the band is wide enuff on the 2.5 injectors to keep it from running too lean.  I bet the 2.7 injectors bolt in, and might help that if needed.

 

The 2.5 injectors flow more than the 2.7's.
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: IanL on December 22, 2006, 12:31:38 AM
Will the ECM map cope with the extra air?
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: Yankee-Tim on December 22, 2006, 12:08:20 PM
The ECM, based on it's input from things like the o2, will dump more gas to keep the mixture correct.  I think the limiting factor will be the injectors.

We'll see, eh?
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: Yankee-Tim on December 22, 2006, 12:13:34 PM
The 2.5 injectors flow more than the 2.7's.

Where did you get that tidbit?  I was looking for the specs on the injectors and never did find it, well, at least on the internet.
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: Amilla on January 03, 2007, 06:58:33 PM
Watch out for the 5.29 Ring and pinion.  Most toyota guys will stay away fromt them.
On the 5.29s the pinion is weak (i belive its because of how thing the pinion gets from how its made) and its common that they blow up. Tall tires, a locker and a bind will blow them out.  Happend to my friend a couple of weeks ago.


Amilla
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: blacknight on January 04, 2007, 05:36:30 AM
Tim I found this for you

Well the GV 2.5 injectors have a flow rate of 280cc/min and the XL-7 2.7 injectors have a flow rate of 240cc/min.  ???
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: chet on January 04, 2007, 09:06:29 AM
a 5.29 toyota pinion is still bigger than a suzuki pinion . You shouldn't have any problems if you buy quality r&P's the cheap ones self destruct. I am very curious about the previa supercharger!
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: Yankee-Tim on January 04, 2007, 12:11:08 PM
a 5.29 toyota pinion is still bigger than a suzuki pinion . You shouldn't have any problems if you buy quality r&P's the cheap ones self destruct. I am very curious about the previa supercharger!

Thanks, man.  I hear such conflicting info on these gear sets.
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: Yankee-Tim on January 04, 2007, 12:19:50 PM
The 2.5 injectors flow more than the 2.7's.

Where did you get that tidbit?  I was looking for the specs on the injectors and never did find it, well, at least on the internet.

Damn, that's screwy.  You'd think the bigger CC would require a broader injector.

Welp, we'll see.  Bob said the non S/C and S/C versions of the Previa have the same injectors, so the boost must not be that much.
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: cj on January 13, 2007, 04:24:24 PM
The 2.5 injectors flow more than the 2.7's.

Where did you get that tidbit?  I was looking for the specs on the injectors and never did find it, well, at least on the internet.

Damn, that's screwy.  You'd think the bigger CC would require a broader injector.
 

The info came from the FSM's.
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: Yankee-Tim on January 15, 2007, 04:51:11 AM
Hmmm, longer pulse on the 2.7, prolly due to longer stroke?
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: cj on January 15, 2007, 11:32:11 AM
Hmmm, longer pulse on the 2.7, prolly due to longer stroke?

Strokes the same at 75mm, it's the bore that's bigger at 88mm up from 84mm.
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: blacknight on January 15, 2007, 12:28:35 PM
Hmmm, longer pulse on the 2.7, prolly due to longer stroke?

Strokes the same at 75mm, it's the bore that's bigger at 88mm up from 84mm.

Hummm I thought it was the stroke that was longer guess you learn new stuff all the time.

George
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: Yankee-Tim on January 16, 2007, 02:28:48 PM
Hmmm, longer pulse on the 2.7, prolly due to longer stroke?

Strokes the same at 75mm, it's the bore that's bigger at 88mm up from 84mm.

Oh well.  It will still work.  Everything I do turns to gold. ;D
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: mckellyb on January 22, 2007, 05:10:39 PM
Oh well.  It will still work.  Everything I do turns to gold. ;D

Hey, then come fix my incessant pinion-breaking!

:-P
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: Yankee-Tim on January 23, 2007, 02:04:38 PM
Oh well.  It will still work.  Everything I do turns to gold. ;D

Hey, then come fix my incessant pinion-breaking!

:-P

it will only turn to gold if I actually touch it. ;D

Just talking out loud here, buy WTF!?!?!  Are you doing neutral drops?  Of all the things that can and do break on Zooks, the R&P's tend not to be one of them.  Tell us how this is happeing.  Maybe there is a cheap solution. (Like those $99 brand new 5.12 pigs that were on ebay years ago.)
Title: Re: Solid axle Gv with 35's? Say it ain't so...
Post by: mckellyb on January 23, 2007, 08:07:15 PM
Just talking out loud here, buy WTF!?!?!  Are you doing neutral drops?  Of all the things that can and do break on Zooks, the R&P's tend not to be one of them.  Tell us how this is happeing.  Maybe there is a cheap solution. (Like those $99 brand new 5.12 pigs that were on ebay years ago.)

Touch it, eh?  Come to Vegas, I have an extra bed...though you'll have to share it with the kitties.

Clutch drops.  Pffft.  I haven't so  much as spun a tire in the last 2 diffs.  I don't know what the problem is.

Cheap solution...barring the XL rear axle transplant, mabye buying diffs at a price which is 5 for 3?  Okay, buy three, get one free would get me to 130K miles...maybe.