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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: r3cc0s on January 01, 2005, 07:02:53 PM
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owing an 03'
I have these recovery "hook"
which are like the D loops
I was wondering how strong they might be?
Or what option I should use to perhaps pull someone stuck in a snow drift etc.. using tow straps?
should I just buy a class 2 trailer hitch rather than use these hooks?
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also wanted to ask
if I use a clevis with a tow strap
how does that work?
I wrap the loop through itself to attach to lets say the other vehical
and the loop on the other end
how do I attach the clevis without attaching the metal directly to the tow hook on my tracker as they are solid D shaped hooks
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Watch using a trailer hitch, balls are easily broken off when snatching with a strap. If you have a receiver with a clevice attachment they seem tohold up well. I have always hooked to the factory D hooks and pulled away. i usually carry two clevices, one to hook into my ride and one to hook to the one I'm pulling out. It's usually the unprepared that have no straps/hooks/ winch, that get stuck.
Zig
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I've ripped full size cheby's out of holes with the factory d hooks don't worry they're plenty strong enough ;D
I'm with zukipilot use two clevis' one on yours one on theres shouldn't have any problems oh yeah if you put a hitch on its just going to dig into the ground anyways on the trail ;D
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Watch using Clevis's on some vehicles. They will rip the factory tow points right off the vehicle and become a flying projectile! Ouch!
They can be used when the mounting points are well placed and thought out. Also use an old blanket and or weight of somekind to prevent the strap from flying IF it breaks or rips the mounts off.
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Yeah factory tow hooks are not desinged to be use as tow hooks they are simply there for holding the vechile down on tow trucks and when they ship the auto.
Ive seen idots try to tow cars out and the hook take the rear end of the car and the bumper off.
When towing a auto out of a ditch its a 2-3,000lb car plus the force needed to take it out of the mud or snow can excert 5,000lbs. Ive watched a test once were they towed a 2,500lb car out of a snow ditch not a biggie and the force needed was over 4,000lbs to 5,000lbs of force needed.
So look on the car and see what u can use to hold the weight hense live axles 2 tow hooks.
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I've ripped factory hooks off on one of my parts trackers with locked up rear brakes just tugging on it with the black tracker :-/
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my question now is this
how do you attach this clevis to the car?
like for example, I'll loop the 2 ended tow strap through on the other car so it works like a hangman
then I am left with one loop, and I have a tow hook which has no opening
so...
if I use a clevis, do I use it directly on the tow hook? like metal to metal
or do I wrap the strap around the hook and use the clevis to attach to the tow strap?...
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I've ripped factory hooks off on one of my parts trackers with locked up rear brakes just tugging on it with the black tracker :-/
i have seen this alot with rustyer trackers yet mine has never moved at all. but it makes me think of renforcing it.
stu
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my question now is this
how do you attach this clevis to the car?
like for example, I'll loop the 2 ended tow strap through on the other car so it works like a hangman
then I am left with one loop, and I have a tow hook which has no opening
so...
if I use a clevis, do I use it directly on the tow hook? like metal to metal
or do I wrap the strap around the hook and use the clevis to attach to the tow strap?...
Be aware that the loops that are located front and rear are actually hold down points for carriers to attach. The front is mostly used to pull you when needed, but again beware that your vehicle weighs near 3000#'s and that front loop is only/maybe 1/2" diameter.
For the rear, it's rather simple. Get the tow frame, secure it to the stock frame points (nuts are welded in the frame) and file down the sharp edges of the receiver. The tow frame is secured by 4 bolts. To secure a strap to the frame, place the strap loop in the receive hole, place the pin in the loop. Simple enough. Now if you can not get someone out of a situation after lets say 3 pulls, but have moved them some, check that pin!!! and the strap loop. The strap couls start to shred from the sharp edges of the receiver. You could also wrap the strap around the tow frame and secure it through itself, or use the d-clevis, but this could slip along the frame and you could place more stress on one side of the frame.
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speaking of ripping the whole rear end off, RealRed, why don't you link up the stileproject clip for all to see. 8)
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i have seen this alot with rustyer trackers yet mine has never moved at all. but it makes me think of renforcing it.
stu
Crazy thing is, that part of the frame wasn't all that rusty :-/
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as requested by the law dog here is the link to a pretty funny tow out vid
http://www.peake.com/occ/OffHighwayVideos/tonycar.wmv
make it hert!!! ;D
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as requested by the law dog here is the link to a pretty funny tow out vid
[url]http://www.peake.com/occ/OffHighwayVideos/tonycar.wmv[/url]
make it hert!!! ;D
omg thank you so much..i needed a laugh..i've had a horrible day...the track still broke..and delivering tonight..i had 12 deliveries and between all fucking 12 deliveries i made 14 bucks in tips....wtf ??? >:(
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Mine came this way, but just goes to show. DO NOT depend on the factory tow points.
(http://photos.zuwharrie.com/users/whitfimb/closeupA.jpg)
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Here's a scenario that all of us have probably been in at some stage ;)
(http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/silzooki stuck.JPG)
Now thats not stuck hard in my books but heres what it did with a tow out
(http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/sr2.JPG)
:o :o :o
Death projectile if it rips clean off !!!
Beware that these were never intended for the extra strain produced by being stuck and can part company from the vehicle.
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Man I guess :o I have a pipe stuffed through mine and bolted at each end,thanks for the pic.
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ya thats not good,I have a piece of pipe through mine,will have to make sure not to use that,kinda goes with what I found today on the trail. in the water cooler.
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We rebuilt the front using tube with a .250" wall, plated the frame around the tube with 3/8" plate and made crush spacers to go between like this
(http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/sr 6.JPG)
then made a 3/16" sheet metal bumper with 1/2" plate recovery H/Duty points Incorporated which bolts to thru the crush spacers to the frame
(http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/slibump.JPG)
She ain't guna come off now ;D ;D
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I dont get it. Are the Sami loops weaker than the Kick loops? I have snatch straped full soze trucks out of mud holes and mine never moved. And I'm talking 2nd gear high range 4x4 with about a 10-15 foot run before the snatch strap grabbed. The force of the cooler hitting the back of my seat broke a good coleman cooler and about half the bottles in it. I have also snatch block pulled through my tow hoops with the back of my Kick anchored to a tree 16,000+ pull with no damage :-/ Yes I do check them to make sure they are in good shape before I use them but I have tried and have not been able to tear mine up.
When snatch straping, I hook the clevice to my factory loop on the frame, then hook the loop in the strap to the clevice, then I do the same to the vehicle I am towing, then hammer it. Maybe they just welded stuff better back in the day (89 ;D)
Zig
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Zig,
There was nothing wrong with the welding back in '86 either cause the welds not broken is it ;)
I think alot of people get away with using them but then
it only takes one to break off like above and if you've got people standing around watching (and they all ways stand too close) than some ones going to get hurt or killed. Imagine that one above breaking off and flying past on a 9 meter snatch strap - NO thanks :o :o
I use to be guilty of using the factory loops for recovery as well, but after hearing stories of them braking/tearing off then seeing this one I made a new front bumper with eyes for towing and rear recovery bar with 3 hooks on it. Heres a few pics of the front one and I can post pics of the rear if any ones interested http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mudfkrs/album?.dir=1ac4&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mudfkrs/my_photos
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Cool tow points 8) I may do something whan I build my rear bumper, but when I have been using extracting the same way in the same vehicle, since 94 and there are no signs of damage from it :-/
Are people snatching with a chain or cable when the damage occurs to the loops? I guess I could see that tearing one up :-/
Zig
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Are people snatching with a chain or cable when the damage occurs to the loops? I guess I could see that tearing one up :-/
Zig
That Sammy was done with a 9 meter snatch strap, tow rig backed up about 3 meters and floored it, first go it didn't move, backed up a bit more floored it again and out she came ;D we didn't even relise it was torn until we went to undo the shackel :o
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im not a fan of snatch recovery, to many breakages,
Zig i have to agree my front stock mount seems to be different to the pics above I will see if i have a pic
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im not a fan of snatch recovery, to many breakages,
Zig i have to agree my front stock mount seems to be different to the pics above I will see if i have a pic
That is exactly what I was looking for ;D
Zig
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found this pic sorry its big you can just make out the loop that is welded to the chassis
(http://www.markyb.co.uk/bum4.jpg)
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Here is a pic. Welded directly to the frame, different than the Sami shown above.
(http://www.izook.com/features/godzuki/images/pic06.jpg)
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Damn that's a BIG pic. ;D
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ummm....yeahhh.... outch
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lol. yeah that is a big pic sorry guys makes reading the post abit pants
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I still have my factory "hoop" on as well, I use it to hold the winch rope. I'm probably going to cut it off though and cap the end of the frame (with big plastic plugs) as it gets hard packed dirt stuffed in there which is APITA to get out, I'll just leave a small drain hole instead.
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im not a fan of snatch recovery, to many breakages,
you're normally pretty desperate if you're jerking the truck out like that... most people i know dont have winches, or hundreds of feet of tow rope to connect to the closest tree to use with a jackall... but ya, i'd be interested to know what you recommend doing if regular towing wont get him out... i've been in this situation many times and had to resort to "snatch recovery"... only other idea i ever had was to hook a bunch of trucks together in a big train to get pulled out, but normally there isnt room for that (or enough chain and ropes)
and "mudfkr" did water pour into your gas tank when you were stuck in that pic? it looks pretty bad :-/
Andrew
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"mudfkr" did water pour into your gas tank when you were stuck in that pic? it looks pretty bad :-/
Andrew
Not my tank thats my mates rig, but yes he learned that a push fit cap and water is not a good mix. This was the first trip out after we "dried" it out after recovering it from under 8' of water a few weeks earlier. He's a bit of a slooow learner ;D
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I perfer snatch strap recovery over winching and other forms. Quick, Easy, and a 2500# Kick can pull a 6500# full size without anchoring to a tree.
Zig
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I don't like the tweeking of the frame
that a pull like that can cause, mine
never steers the same after I pull
someone out of the mud
This is how I cured the weak stock pulls
(http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/zookmods/leftdring.jpg)
(http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/zookmods/rightdring.jpg)
Wild