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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: ppltrak on December 28, 2004, 06:27:04 AM
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Has anyone ever swapped in a 4speedtrans in a trakick? If so what are the pro/cons. any info would help.
Kevin
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Do you have a 3 speed auto now? If so, I think the 4 speed is the same length. Mechanically speeking, it would be straightforward. But you need the wiring to go with the 4 speed and the computer too. Hope you got or want a 16v, cause that is the only way I know of it working.
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Thanks, I heard that it might be a little longer. I was wondering if it had a lower 1st. gear?
Thanks
Kevin
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i was told u didnt need the computer for the auto to work. was thinking of replacing my 5spd w a auto. so it wont work w/out computer?
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i was told u didnt need the computer for the auto to work. was thinking of replacing my 5spd w a auto. so it wont work w/out computer?
A 3 speed will work without the computer, but the 4 speed i believe has electronic tourqe converter lock up. Someone correct me if i'm wrong. That is why the computer is required.
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how do you tell the difference between the 2?
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Between the two what......? Transmissions?
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yes, the transmitions
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I don't know what the difference is in them cosmetically as far as the housing's go or if the dimensions of the transmission's are even different. i do know that the 4 speeds have a overdrive button on the shifter, so you could look for that I guess.
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Heres the best way I know of to convert a 4speed auto to a 5 spd stick.
1. Remove the soft top from the car
2. Take off the radiator cap
(anyone know where this is going?)
3. sell the car for a reasonable price
4. Buy a new identical model in 5 spd stick for a good price.
5. Re-install the top
6. Screw on the radiator cap
7. Auto to stick change out complete !
No problems making it fit or worrying about the computer!!!!
Well, that is the way I plan to do it when I get tired of my 4speed auto and want a stick!!!
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Heres the best way I know of to convert a 4speed auto to a 5 spd stick. ÂÂ
1.  Remove the soft top from the car
2.  Take off the radiator cap
(anyone know where this is going?)
3.  sell the car for a reasonable price
4.  Buy a new identical model in 5 spd stick for a good price.
5. Re-install the top
6.  Screw on the radiator cap
7. Auto to stick change out complete !
No problems making it fit or worrying about the computer!!!!
Well, that is the way I plan to do it when I get tired of my 4speed auto and want a stick!!!
Sounds pretty damn failsafe!!! Hahah......
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Sounds pretty damn failsafe!!! Hahah......
yea but what if the radiator cap dosen't fit??? i wouldn't know what to do :-/ ;D
stu
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Has anyone ever swapped in a 4speedtrans in a trakick? If so what are the pro/cons. any info would help.
Kevin
I've been wanting that extra gear or two for my Tracker too.
I was also under the impression that the 4-speed auto was longer (and only sold in 4-dr models). I think if I go that route it will be with a donor engine/trans/computer from a later model. I've never been able to get a clear answer on whether or not the drive shafts are the same length as on the 3-speed (if the dimensions of the two trannies were different, then unless the transfer case is different, I would think that the driveshafts would have to be different also.
All that complication has made me consider a 5-speed manual, but that requires a lot of conversion too :-/
Please post any useful information you find.
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I may be Major Dummy but isnt a drive shaft change out about the easiest part of the whole deal?
I still say sell the car and find one you like with the right trans set up.  I love my 98 4 speed auto but would gladly sell it if I could get an identical quality 98 5 speed stick. ÂÂ
PS any bites? 98 green tracker two door rag top.  Green and clean, no dents, no rust, shines, runs great, 2" lift, 235X15 ATs,  only asking $15000.00
Ok only joking. . . but Tracks and Kicks are like a dime a dozen here in central FLorida. You can find what you want if patient. . .
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i was wanting an auto in my traker, i paid more for my tires than i did my daily driver tracker, i hate spending money and i like working on shtuff. i have a auto i was wanting to put in it but no harness. did they ever put a 4spd auto behind a 8v ?does someone make a harness to do this?
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Personally, i find the auto rules off road, sure it sucks on the highway or long trips and stuff, but for wheelin you just cant' beat it.
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I may be Major Dummy but isnt a drive shaft change out about the easiest part of the whole deal?
Probably so, once you get those flange bolts off and assuming the # of splines is the same. It just may be something else to add to the list.
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When I got my 3speed trany fixed-up, the guy said that the 3speed tranys are alot more differant than the 4speeds. He told me that i ever wanted to put a 4speed in, that I would have to get my hands on the electial equipment, and a smaller drive shaft, probably some other stuff to go along with it too. Then he asked me why i would ever want a 4speed, cuz the 3speeds are almost bullet proof. Except for some seals. He said that there are bushings insted of bearings inside the 3speed, and that they never wear out.
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I really do like the 4spd auto but I think the overdrive gear is way to low. At 45mph it kicks in at 2900rpm and drops the rpms to 2500. Not much of an improvement. At 70 the car is pushing over 3700rpm in overdrive and should be about 2500 to really give good results. I guess thats why I only get about 22 miles per gallon. And it doesnt matter when in 4wd off road at slow speeds so it seems like kind of a waste. I wonder if a different gear can be dropped in for the overdrive?
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run 35's. At 60 I'm turning 3000 rpms... in third ;)
Brian
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run 35's.  At 60 I'm turning 3000 rpms... in third ;)
Brian
And what has happened to your mileage? It seems to me that lower RPMs would mean better MPG, but that rarely seems to be anyone's experience.
Someone asked why you'd want a 4th gear, well, I would like one for the mileage and, probably, a lower 1st gear.