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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: AJMBLAZER on March 21, 2007, 05:55:04 PM
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I know we've discussed this but I just made a deal on the whole '90 parts truck and part of it was the guy would come get it soon and then bring me back the axle/diff parts I need. So I want to make sure I know exactly what I need for the '96.
In the rear I just need the third member, correct?
In the front...I need the third...and I think the whole front axle housing...correct? Anything else? Where's the 22 spline vs 26 spline difference? Do I need the cv-shafts?
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You will have to use your 26 spline side gears in the front, or the 22 spline axles from the 90
If you just use the ring and pinion from the 90, you need to set up the gears with marking compound and shims and such, if you swap over the side gears, you can get away with setting the preload yourself, since it's just the front set.
That is my opinion, others opinions may differ.
Rear is good, but you will have a brake light on since there is no abs ring on the 90 gear set.
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So the best solution would be the whole front setup inside of the cv's?
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why don't you just take the and rear complete,, then you don't have to worry about setting back lash, and shimming, blaa blaaaa bllaaaaa andall that fun stuff ,,just do diff swaps insted ......
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That's why I'm taking the whole third members in the rear and the front, no backlash setting required. Quad mentioned that, not me.
The difference is in the fronts, a 96 has 26 spline axleshafts and a 90 has 22 spline axleshafts, so I need to know which peices need to be swapped so I can put the stuff into my '96 as easily as possible.
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Well, the reason I suggested NOT using the 22 spline axle shafts is that some people think the 26's are stronger. They ARE, but I don't know how much stronger...
SO, if you use the 90 front gears, you HAVE to use the front axles OR break the front diff down and use the 26 spline side gears.
I just re-read my post, and I can understand me, but I guess I wasn't clear enough... LOL...
I am NOT sure what the differences at the front hubs are, if any. Personally, I would rather break down the front diff, and install your 26 spline side gears... it only takes half an hour or so. But that is just me, I think it's worth keepingthe 26 spline axles in front. I mean, Zuki upgraded them for a reason you know.
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Okay, so the stub axleshafts from the 3rd member to the cv-joints are what changed, correct?
Meaning I could change the whole axle assembly inside of the cv-joints and be okay...?
I know the locking hubs are exactly the same as I've put ones from a '93 on a '03.
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Okay, so the stub axleshafts from the 3rd member to the cv-joints are what changed, correct?
Meaning I could change the whole axle assembly inside of the cv-joints and be okay...?
I know the locking hubs are exactly the same as I've put ones from a '93 on a '03.
Ok, that is what I didn't know. If the locking hubs are the same, then the rest should be.
maybe I don't fully understand what you mean by "whole axle assembly inside the cv joints"
, there is only ONE stub shaft, the passenger side goes all the way into the diff, so you have to change the whole cv/axle assembly.
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ok, just a thought, and i may be wrong, but doesnt the 96 have a 12 bolt rear axle? i know the 90 should have a 10 bolt. ???
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ok, just a thought, and i may be wrong, but doesnt the 96 have a 12 bolt rear axle? i know the 90 should have a 10 bolt. ???
From what I was told that only affects the third member's components. You can swap a 10 bolt or 12 bolt third into each other's axle housing and use the same axleshafts but you can't use 10 bolt diff parts inside of a 12 bolt's diff.
Make sense?
Quad, I've attached a (poorly drawn) drawing to illustrate my terminology at least. Couldn't I swap the whole axle center section (ie-everything between the cv-joints)? That way the front would be all '90 22-spline components. I was told this was actually the easiest way to get the front diff out.
It's my DD/light trail rig. I can't afford to even put a spool in the rear so I REALLY can't afford to wheel hard enough to break the front end. I want 5.12's so I can get back over 20mpg. :P
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Here is what you are missing, there is no stub shaft on the passenger side
The cv/axle assembly on your 96, on the passenger side has a 26 spline shaft that goes directly into the diff housing and the side gear. SO, if you put the 22 spline assembly in there, you will have to run a 22 spline CV/AXLE shaft....
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Here is what you are missing, there is no stub shaft on the passenger side
The cv/axle assembly on your 96, on the passenger side has a 26 spline shaft that goes directly into the diff housing and the side gear. SO, if you put the 22 spline assembly in there, you will have to run a 22 spline CV/AXLE shaft....
OR, swap EVERYTHING between the spindles, including the CV/AXLE shafts.
YES, you have to pull the entire housing to get the front 3rd member anyway, so it's easier to swap the whole thing. BUT, you will have to swap the axles too... (at least the passenger side)
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i understand you quad ;)
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Okay, I see now. So basically I'd want the passenger side cv-shaft AND all of the axle centersection bits. The driver's side I wouldn't need.
The passenge side would be pretty easy to get out at that point anyways, eh?
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ok, just a thought, and i may be wrong, but doesnt the 96 have a 12 bolt rear axle? i know the 90 should have a 10 bolt. ???
For trackers and sidekicks, "10" and "12" bolt refer to the number of bolts that hold the ring gear on the carrier (not the number of bolts holding the diff cover on....like a "chevy 10 bolt" or "chevy 12 bolt").
If you are swapping complete thirds, then it makes no difference if you are swapping a "10 bolt" for a "12 bolt" or vice-versa. Now if you are swapping gears only, then of course you would have to use a 10 bolt ring gear on a 10 bolt carrier and a 12 bolt ring gear on a 12 bolt carrier.
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ok, cool. that clears things up a lot
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ok, just a thought, and i may be wrong, but doesnt the 96 have a 12 bolt rear axle? i know the 90 should have a 10 bolt. ???
For trackers and sidekicks, "10" and "12" bolt refer to the number of bolts that hold the ring gear on the carrier (not the number of bolts holding the diff cover on....like a "chevy 10 bolt" or "chevy 12 bolt").
If you are swapping complete thirds, then it makes no difference if you are swapping a "10 bolt" for a "12 bolt" or vice-versa. Now if you are swapping gears only, then of course you would have to use a 10 bolt ring gear on a 10 bolt carrier and a 12 bolt ring gear on a 12 bolt carrier.
That's true except for one little thing, and that's the ABS ring found on the 12 bolts, you won't be able to use it on the 10 bolts. SO, the BRAKE light will be on when you use a 10 bolt 3rd on a 12 bolt kick.
Not a big deal for 90% of us, but it would be for others.