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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: acw592 on December 06, 2004, 10:58:40 PM
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Has anyone experimented with a diff. drivetrain in the tracker? I like the little 1.6, but need more power with the bigger tires. I was wondering about a V6 out of an S-10 (along with the tranny and T-case). Any other ideas? Tried to do a search and didn't find much. How about a 350!!! I actually seen that in a samuari!!! ;D
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yup
I know a guy with a 92 geo tracker
He took the frame and narrowed it, added an extra cross member
put new body mounts and lifted body by 3"
changed the suspension mounts
did a 6" coil over axel
swapped with a set of Dana 44 front spool, rear Dana 60 with a eaton loceker
um... some weird linkage system for the Dana 60 which gives it just unbelievable articulation
removable sway bars
D20 transfer case with a 4.10:1 ratio, built up heavily
Running 4.6ish r&p front and rear
a 327 GM w/ some crazy 700 cfm carb
I believe running some Gel Battery
has a custom Snorkle from the big carburator
Running 37" TSL radials on ....
the Stock Tracker Rims 5.5" rims (ubelieviable)
I'm not sure what he did with the steering but it's some weird high-steer
custom 3/8" skid plates (yah basically tank like)
yah basically not much of a tracker left
but he can kick the shit out of most Suv's on the road 0-60 :)
and climb almost anything
I've gotta take a picture next time I head out to Ontario
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there's a tracker on ebay right now with a SB 350.
not that I consider it a good idea, but ...
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we are trying to find a aluminum 4 or 6 cyl that will put out about 150HP and torquey on the bottom end. havn't done enought research yet to hope to fine somthing that is extreamly cheap and plentful(sp?) The first engine we had in mind was a EFI 4.0 out of a ranger(somthing like 170 hp and tons of low end torque) but its heavy so we are trying to find somthing else.
Anyone know a small aluminum engine that would work? i would loke to keep EFI, Muliti Port would be nice but a TB motor might work also.
stu
P.S. Chebby parts are not allowed in the shop so a 4.3 is out.
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The new Mustang has an aluminum 4.6L in it...
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Honda Accord 2.0L engine.
Something like 153 HP and 135 Ft. Lbs. of torque.
Cwkick
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OLDS MADE AN ALUMINUM V8 BACK IN 61-63 THEY CAME ON SOME F85'S I HAVE ONE ;D THEY'RE 215CID AND WORTH ABOUT 200HP NOT SURE ON THE TORQUE ??? ALUMINUM BLOCK AND HEADS VERY SMALL BEING ONLY A 3.5 LITRE. OLDS SOLD THE ENGINE DESIGN TO LAND ROVER WHERE THEY MADE IT A LITTLE BIGGER 4.0 LITRE I THINK :P
I'VE CONSIDERED PUTTING THIS IN THE REAL RED WAGON BUT.... ;D
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Honda Accord 2.0L engine.
Something like 153 HP and 135 Ft. Lbs. of torque.
Cwkick
i like that idea, wonder how it would fit up to the trans?
stu
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Turbo
Light weight
The engine fits the trans no problem
and puts out 160 HP in 16V form
Engine swaps are OK, but it's not
Suzuki, or a V6 swap would be good
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Turbo
Light weight
The engine fits the trans no problem
and puts out 160 HP in 16V form
Engine swaps are OK, but it's not
Suzuki, or a V6 swap would be good
i would do a V6 zuk swap in a heartbeat, but i have never seen a totaled newwer zuk at the insurance action(sp) that didn't go for a few grand :-/  But on the onther hand,  Hondas are everywhere and you can buy a rusted one for 50 bucks.  so why not?  I think a turbo would just not be my style,  and engine swap on the other hand would be somthing i would do.
stu
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Why dont you put in an 2.0L Suzuki engine, that has 155hp. or the V6 from the GV
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Why dont you put in an 2.0L Suzuki engine, that has 155hp. or the V6 from the GV
Copyed from the statement above:
i would do a V6 zuk swap in a heartbeat, but i have never seen a totaled newwer zuk at the insurance action(sp) that didn't go for a few grand But on the onther hand, Hondas are everywhere and you can buy a rusted one for 50 bucks. so why not?
stu
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i want a turbo....build me one :'(
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;D Yep, i wouldn't waste my time doing a V-6 swap
Makes it too easy to pass on the freeway :(
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i'd like a v6 ;D
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P.S. Chebby parts are not allowed in the shop so a 4.3 is out.
4.3's aren't light by any means anyway :D
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the short space of time i have had my 4.24 calmini gears i can approach anything at tick over and have loads of torgue in 1st or 2nd low and i cant see me needing another engine poor truck weighs around 2 ton already,
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what about a vw vr6 engine? about 170horses a tun of tork and mite even fit older vw trans,wich would means u could probaly adapt it to suzki. oh they only have one head,so their small,but 2.9 cc
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Caution, Honda engines rotate the opposite way form every other engine out there. you'll have 5 speed in reverse and 1 forward... sounds like fun
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Perkins or Thermo king diesel ! Lots o torque.Lots of custom parts,but one of a kind! ;D M.Z.
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well i guess the engine swap is out of my price league =\ which really does blow. but instead it gives me money for my lift and gears. maybe if someone were to design a kit for them to bring the parts together and install for 5k..i bet that'd be really popular ;)
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have you talked to brent at rail tough? What your after is what he does ... http://www.trailtough.com
I fully expect you'll see "packages" from those guys for kick/tracs (sammies have probably been the bread and butter for quite a while).
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Caution, Honda engines rotate the opposite way form every other engine out there. you'll have 5 speed in reverse and 1 forward... sounds like fun
LOL, I didn't know that, what a riot, that
would have been a hoot to see somebodys
new rig and it goes backwards in 1st
Wild
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Perkins or Thermo king diesel ! Lots o torque.Lots of custom parts,but one of a kind! ;D M.Z.
Funny you should mention that ;D
Coming from tha trucking industry, I
have been aquainted with these little
diesels for some time, and the thought
had crossed my mind to put one into
a Suzuki, after all they are Japaneese
and Korean engines. Of coarse it would
have a turbo and a tweeked fuel system
for more power, these little engines only
put out around 30 HP but they are very
high torque. Turbo would increase the
output by 20 to 30 HP ;D
Wild
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Funny you should mention that  ;D
Coming from tha trucking industry, I
have been aquainted with these little
diesels for some time, and the thought
had crossed my mind to put one into
a Suzuki, after all they are Japaneese
and Korean engines. Of coarse it would
have a turbo and a tweeked fuel system
for more power, these little engines only
put out around 30 HP but they are very
high torque. Turbo would increase the
output by 20 to 30 HP  ;D
Wild
and increase the weigh by how much?
stu
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I don't know, but being a Diesel they
are all Cast Iron, as opposed to a aluminum
block and head with steel sleeves, but it
would get like 40 MPG which is a significant
increase of fuel efficiency, as well as Diesel
which is off of the smog rolls ;D
I bet it would be twice the weight of a
stock engine, but this would allow the
3+3 to be more comfy on the butt ;)
Wild
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I have a VW TURBO DIESEL SETTTING ON THE ENGINE STAND IN THE SHOP! so Wild what do you think? how high can yyou rev a diesel?
stu
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Good question, I think the VWs are a high
speed engine, can probably hit 4000 RPM
but I don't know what the design spec for
a Yanmar or a ThermoKing engine, I think
about 3000 or more tho depending on the
stroke of the crankshaft.
The big diesels like the one I drove, 12L
Cat C-12 are 2000 max, and work at 1200
to 1800 RPM but these engines produce
400-475 HP and like 1200 Ft Lbs Torque :o
And that my friend will move you and 80,000
down the road while getting 7 MPG.
Wild
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ok i guess the plans are still to drop that into a sammy. i need somthing that can go 6000RPM and stay there. so i saw some one put an old Rotory Mazda in a sammy on IZOOK. Rotory's are high RPM engines right?
stu
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Why 6000 RPM ??? Diesels don't need
to spin that fast to move you, that's why
you can drive 60 MPH at 1200 RPM in a
Semi Truck, you would have to regear the
trucklet to the RPM and torque range of the
new engine, low T-case and high (4.62s) diff
gears would be a good combo for that setup
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so as you know i run in mud, so normally high RPM's are how i run. 1st gear, stock drivetrain(including gears), 34in swampers. so your saying i could put in the VW, try mabey some higher gears(know where some are) and the torque from the diesel would give me enough wheel speed to get though the mud?
stu
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Yep, torque can turn higher gears and
make higher wheel speeds with less
engine RPM, Cool Huh ;D
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hum, have to talk to the father about this. might just be crazy enough to work. this would mean i might be able to drive it on the street with out going to 5500 up hills!
stu
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4000 RPM'S geared right can get you down the road pretty good!Like Wild said 2000RPM'S in a big truck will move 80'000 LBS at an impressive speed! Torque and gearing,between the two you can find a good compromise. Theres a Thermo King dealer across from our terminal and one day while having some repair work done I studied the possibilities of an engine swap with one of the little diesels(fly wheels,starters,bellhousings,tranny adapters) it was all starting to come together.Then I realized I was straying from my intended project goals of building a capable Zuk with parts on hand or custom frabicated ones.Maybe the next one will be blowing diesel smoke! M.Z. ;D
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Now that's what I'm talkin about ;D
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Another idea from over there on diesel power ;D M.Z. http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=31967
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When I was in the junk yard a couple of days ago getting the auto hub I did'nt need >:(, I noticed a 90's toyota shortbox 4x4 pickup. Aluminum v6, tranny, T-case. I'm thinki'n theres alot of possibilities there!
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I have a VW TURBO DIESEL SETTTING ON THE ENGINE STAND IN THE SHOP!  so Wild what do you think?  how high can yyou rev a diesel?
stu
www.acmeadapters.com
The website isn't the best and requires a flash plugin but they have a conversion kit to mount the VW engines in Samurai, Sidekick, and Toytas.
Their site rates the 1.6 turbo diesel at 68hp and 98 ft# torque and the 1.9 td at 75hp and 107 ft#. Of course, being diesel, these numbers occur at lower rpms than the gas zuk motors we are used to.
I drove their 1.9td Samurai Tintop (33s with stock gearing transmission back). It was incredible. I drove a 6% hill at 60mph in 5th gear.
I just finished installing a 1.6 NA in my Samurai and it feels like the stock 1.3 but I'm runnung 31s with stock gearing. I'm considering 33s and Trail Tough's 4:1 t-case gear set. I haven't got enough miles on it to know econoy
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Someone on here also mentioned the Aerio engine...it's a pretty badass 4 banger for a Suzuki motor:
Engine: 2.3 Litre, DOHC, 16 valve
Horse-power: 155 |removethispart|@ 5,400 rpm
Torque: 152 lb ft |removethispart|@3 ,000 rpm
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Isn't that the same block and head as the 2.0 in the 1999 and up Track/vitaras? If it is......Hmmmmm.......
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Another great benifit of a diesel is that a diesel will run in any position. Straight up and down, upside down...
As long as there is diesel coming out of the tank the engine will run.
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EFI will also, as long as it's got fuel,
but water, that's the spot where Diesel
has no problems.
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2 stroke air cooled engine is about the only engine that will run in any position indefinitaly,with a diaphragm type carburator or similar fuel delivery system.Its lubricant is in its fuel,turn any thing with a sump lubricating system over and leave it running and before long it will self destruct.Suzuki oddly enough started out with a 2 stroke engine in there vehicles! M.Z.
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i think an rx7 engine would be awesome, lots of them around, lots of aftermarket parts, set up for rwd, and it loves high revs...
Andrew
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i think an rx7 engine would be awesome, lots of them around, lots of aftermarket parts, set up for rwd, and it loves high revs...
Andrew
And lasts a whopping 50k miles before major work is needed and have no low-end torque ;D
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TURBO TURBO TURBO . did i mention a TURBO ? turbo is the wat to go . does anyone have a parts list i can get from say a salvage yard and make a turbo work on my 1.6l 8v ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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And lasts a whopping 50k miles before major work is needed and have no low-end torque ;D
ya they dont last, ive heard 120k kms... might equal about the same in miles.
torque is a concern :P, but im sure its got a good amount in the high revs, and if all stu does is mud, it would work out perfect. i wouldnt want one for crawling, i'd want a diesel for that
ive seen a few rx7s with no mods spin the tires and could keep going forever, i think that would be perfect for mud... what do i know, i hate mud, i like to crawl
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TURBO TURBO TURBO . did i mention a TURBO ? turbo is the wat to go . does anyone have a parts list i can get from say a salvage yard and make a turbo work on my 1.6l 8v ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
About the only part you will be getting a turbocharger,
and an intercooler, turbo is from a Subaru 1.8 or a Mazda
mx3 Turbo 1.6, intercooler is from a Volvo, tho one from
any other turbo vehicle could be made to work.
You will want to add a MegaSquirt EFI fuel computer
for the added fuel needed under boost www.msefi.com
and lots of fabrication, there is no simple bolt on turbo
setup for the SideKick.
(http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/zookmods/fourth-tube.jpg)
See:http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/zookmods
For more information
Wild
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Hey Wild, how much would you charge to make another turbo manifold like that?
Also, what sort of wiring is involved in adding the megasquirt? Do you wire it into the existing computer, or is it a standalone thing?
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i would not want to " crawl " anywayz . i did enough of that as a baby . LOL I understand your point , i just wasnt looking at the below 2k rpm range . diesels make a ton of low end torque but without a turbo wont get out of there own way . i still say TURBO! boost determins how long the engine will last . low boost will run as long as NA . extremely high boost and it might not make it back home but will be BAD A** for a few minutes .
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Hey Wild, how much would you charge to make another turbo manifold like that?
Also, what sort of wiring is involved in adding the megasquirt? Do you wire it into the existing computer, or is it a standalone thing?
Manifold is about $400 without ceramic coating
ceramic is $100 :o
MegaSquirt is a standalone system, wiring is thru
a DB37 connector, which sort of looks like a printer
port on the back of a computer, it also needs a laptop
to plug in and tune the system, but only for tuning,
not to opperate.
The MS has wires for the injectors, air temp, coolant
temp, TPS which is not compatable on the 8V engine,
I don't use the TPS yet, but I will get it hooked up
sometime, I'm going to use a Ford TPS that is compatable
with the MS, but I need to put in a Throttle Body spacer first. Then you need injector ports welded to the intake
manifold and a set of injectors, about 19-25 PPH work
fine if you use the stock injection system as well.
Wild
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Sounds scarily overcomplicated... I'd do an engine swap, but I LOVE having an engine that I can pick up by myself :P
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Should I be building crate turbo
motors for power up swaps ???
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Gears, Gears give er the gears and a few engine mods. That's my suggestion if its just the tire size. But if your after raw power don't know. I'll bet someone makes a turbo for that will go on the 1.6.
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Gears will help correct the bigger tires,
but you will never get the same power
as you had with the stock tires and gears,
there are just too many additional drags
added with big tires.
Wild
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Should I be building crate turbo
motors for power up swaps ???
YES!!1 ;D
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Should I be building crate turbo
motors for power up swaps ???
he** yes !
oh yeah and cheap too . LOL ;D ;D
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My over the winter power mods will include:
Putting back on my gutted exhaust manifolds(pre-cats)
Re-doing my exhaust system 2.5" all the way back.
Installing OBD2 oxygen sensor simulators(2)
Experimenting with intial timing settings
Check into having the ECU reprogramed
Many other projects not power related"
Install cruise control
Make my hardtop fit better
Different motor mounts
Rear brake upgrade
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Should I be building crate turbo
motors for power up swaps ???
[shadow=red,left,300]YES[/shadow] ;D ;D ;D
Or just the turbo Header set up ;D
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He He, The dude with the 2.7 and
he's doing power mods ;D see you
really never are satisfied with the
power, no matter what it is, me included
;D
Wild
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throw a k&n on youll get about 100 horse ;D
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I thought it was 200 HP from a K&N,
then you get a NOS sticker and .....
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it has to be with a JEGS decal or it dosent work
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I thought it was 200 HP from a K&N,
then you get a NOS sticker and .....
I've had thought's about a dry nitrous set-up,maybe jetted for 50H.P....... ;D
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Should I be building crate turbo
motors for power up swaps ???
Or just the turbo set ups ;D
Funny how the last post I did (just like this one) dissappeared ???
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;D Build a crate turbo and they will buy, I"d be interrested esp if the price were right. 8)