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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: jerryp58 on December 11, 2004, 09:21:59 AM
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OK, please take a look at the very center of this picture...
(http://home.att.net/~jerryp58/tracker/fixtracker3.jpg)
Is that gaping hole below the water pump and between the oil pump and the block supposed to be there  ???
The water pump doesn't cover it up.  I would think I'd be dumping oil all over that area.  The timing belt is not supposed to get oil on it, is it?
And if oil is getting in there, I'm thinking that the oil may be spraying out of the timing belt cover at two hole mine has in it from the pulleys.  Here's the pic of that...
(http://home.att.net/~jerryp58/tracker/fixtracker1.jpg)
Help!  What's the deal?  Is that hole/gap really supposed to be there?
I thought my front crank seal was leaking, but now I'm not so sure.
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No your front crank seal is probabally leaking. Its common. While your in there put a cam seal in too. I think they are the same part# too.The holes in the cover are cause the seal has been leaking for a while and warped the cover. I usually keep the cover off and save it as a tool for timing.
Mike
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That's not a hole, it's a hollow spot
and it's full of oil, is your engine a 16
Valve ? looks like a wide timing gear
on the crank.
That's what we need, and aluminum
timing belt cover, so it won't warp and
get holes worn in it from the belts and
pullies rubbing on it.
Wild
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That's what we need, and aluminum
timing belt cover, so it won't warp and
get holes worn in it from the belts and
pullies rubbing on it.
Wild
Now you've got one more thing to manufacture for the Zuki'n masses! Hurry, I want one!
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No your front crank seal is probabally leaking. Its common. While your in there put a cam seal in too. I think they are the same part# too.
Mike
Yea, I guess now that I'm in this deep I'll change both front seals. Hopefully I won't have any problems getting the crank bolt & gear off ::)
The holes in the cover are cause the seal has been leaking for a while and warped the cover. I usually keep the cover off and save it as a tool for timing.
Mike
You can definitely see the warpage in mine. But, YIKES, aren't you worried about getting liquid & debris in your oil through that hole/gap?
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That's not a hole, it's a hollow spot
and it's full of oil, is your engine a 16
Valve ? looks like a wide timing gear
on the crank.
Wild
What the heck is the "hollow spot" for?  Why would they give oil the opportunity to enter the timing belt/gear area?
Edit -- Ahhhh, I just looked over your post again.  It's just a hollow spot.  So, it isn't some kind of passage to an oil reservoir.  I was thinking it was an opening to my oil supply, not just a spot that has collected oil that's not even supposed to be there in the first place.  Now I understand  ;D
Well, I know it's a 8v head, and as far as I know it's an 8v block, but I don't know what or where the production numbers are that identify the block.
That's what we need, and aluminum
timing belt cover, so it won't warp and
get holes worn in it from the belts and
pullies rubbing on it.
Wild
Yea, plastic might save weight, but it's not always the best solution.
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YIKES, aren't you worried about getting liquid & debris in your oil through that hole/gap?
The motor is sealed. That gap does not go into the oil. Ive only had a problem with not having a cover once, but I was up to the headlights on thick mud in my old sami. The mud packed between the belt and the crank gear and popped it. On the upside all I had to do was remove the aly belt and slide a new timming belt in there.
Mike
;D
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The motor is sealed. That gap does not go into the oil. Ive only had a problem with not having a cover once, but I was up to the headlights on thick mud in my old sami. The mud packed between the belt and the crank gear and popped it. On the upside all I had to do was remove the aly belt and slide a new timming belt in there.
Mike
;D
What is the advantage of not running a timing belt cover? Are there any, and does the belt wear prematurely?
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The only problem is something getting in
there and popping the belt off.
I have a friend with a sand rail 2.3L Turbo
Ford T-bird motor, a few times sand got
packed into the belt and it popped it off,
other than that no problems
Wild
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The motor is sealed. That gap does not go into the oil. Ive only had a problem with not having a cover once, but I was up to the headlights on thick mud in my old sami. The mud packed between the belt and the crank gear and popped it. On the upside all I had to do was remove the aly belt and slide a new timming belt in there.
Mike
;D
I finally understand that the motor is sealed. The idea that there was an opening to the oil supply behind the timing belt cover was freakin' me out.
I'll probably try to patch mine and put it back on.
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I finally understand that the motor is sealed.  The idea that there was an opening to the oil supply behind the timing belt cover was freakin' me out.
I'll probably try to patch my cover and put it back on.
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DUCT TAPE! ;D
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Duct tape and j.b. weld ;D I just time my 16 valve through the bell housing 8)
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DUCT TAPE!  ;D
Don't tempt me :)
I'll have to look at how much clearance there is on the inside. Although, if I JB Plastic Weld a "patch" in there and it breaks loose :o
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Clean the cover really well, like with
brake cleaner, duct tape the inside
for a backing, now flip it over and
squeeze some black silicone into the
worn holes, let it cure and pull the tape
off of the inside, holes fixed, and silicone
should stick really well if it was clean.
Then again, the holes don't really matter,
so just slap it back together and go wheeling
Wild
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why does mine have no wear marks on it but his has gaping holes? doesnt that mean something isnt aligned right? is that SUPOSED to happen ???
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why does mine have no wear marks on it but his has gaping holes? doesnt that mean something isnt aligned right? is that SUPOSED to happen  ???
What?  You cover doesn't have the breather holes :o  You need those breather holes.
If you want, I'll trade covers with you, and then I can just cut breather holes in your cover with my special "breather hole template"  ;)
Someone said that when the cover gets oil on it, it warps.  I don't know if that was the cause or not, but mine was definitely exposed to lots of oil and it is definitely warped.  That's why the W.P. pulley and the belt wore holes in it.
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Wait, you mean there's someone out there that doesn't have warped/gouged out timing belt covers? Huh? :o
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yah no rust oil leaks or holes anywhere
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Wait, you mean there's someone out there that doesn't have warped/gouged out timing belt covers? Huh? :o
Yeah, I got to replace mine after the tensioner broke and blew the side of it apart! :o
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Yeah, I got to replace mine after the tensioner broke and blew the side of it apart!  :o
Where did you get your replacement and how much $$$ (if you don't mind my asking)?
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i wouldnt recomend running without a timing cover. my son had a strong running 16v w no cover.somthing got between belt and pully and jumpped timing at about 5000rpm, bent all of the valves. i didnt run a cover,now i do