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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: BC4x4life on May 25, 2007, 11:10:25 PM
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From what I've found, winch bumpers cost as much as the winches and they're heavy. I'm looking for a low cost, light weight winch solution and yes I have a come a long. :P
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Have you tried TrialTough?
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The two Samurias I usually run with both have a real minimal bumper that is basically a platform for the winch and thats it.
Zoom in on the link and take a look.
Linkage. (http://picasaweb.google.com/CrawlersNW/JohnsonValley07ClawHammerDevilsGate/photo#5054505393128752786)
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What is the smallest winch I could use or is larger in my best interest?
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I think a little overkill is good when it comes to a winch, to much is just a waste though. You could get a receiver mount for your winch and put receivers on the front and back of your rig and then you could store it out of the weather, use it from the front or back and not need to spend big dollars for a winch bumper. A fabricator could make up the receivers and mount them for a lot less than the five bills or more you could spend on the bumper.
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I hope I am not the only one that depends on a come-along and stock towhooks, extremely low cost solution, 35$
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this is my winch bumper i made up, its pretty light, and is mounted very close into the body,. weights about 35 lbs without winch, but yet is still strong
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/blasterfan/100_3981.jpg)
also by the way, thats a 8000lb winch, and i now have a grill in the zuk aswell
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Is 8000 lbs about right or can I get away with 6000 lbs or less? Also has anyone kept their stock bumper and added a winch?
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There were people posting on here a while back about winches. Someone on here was running a 5 or 6000Lb winch. They said it would pull the out just fine, but personaly i would go with an 8000 Lb. You might as well have a more...for those extra sticky situations ;D
As fun running a winch with the stock bumper, i think you could make a winch mount that sits over the stock bumper. But why on earth would you want to keep the stock bumper?
Its like 16 gauge sheet metal hahah
Amilla
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I wouldn't go for less than 8000lbs on a Track/Kick. There isn't really any need for a winch bumper as such. Some of the designs for newer trucks have the winch set into the bumper. You just need a very strong and well mounted tray to fit the winch to. Maybe you could cut out a section of the front bumper.
I can't find an aftermarket example right now but the Dune concept vehicle doesn't have a conventional winch bumper
http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9315.0;attach=226
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I was at costco today and for $400 canadian you could buy a 9500 lb winch in a tray with handles that slides into a 2" receiver with the rollers, wires, accessories, everything you need. Is this too big? They also had a 2500 lb version for smaller receivers for 77 bucks. Yes I know it is made for ATV's but if I used a pulley would this be sufficient? Honestly I probably wouldn't use a winch very often, I just want some piece of mind when I'm wheeling.
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remember the winch may not be just to get you out...... ::) but help someone else out aswell
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anything under a 6500lbs i wouldn't trust to get you out. I personally have a 9500lbs on my sidekick.
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OK, why would I need an 8000 lb or so winch for a 2000 lb truck? How do they rate these things?
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Here is mine on my GV.
T-MAX 6500.
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/gv1600/grand023-.jpg)
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Don't forget also that you can shed some extra pounds by going to a synthetic line. Especially on a 9500lbs winch.
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i was looking into purchasing a winch for my tracker, haven't done anything yet.. you don't need an 8000lb but if you're stuck in some major crap it might save you an hour or shoveling the worlds stickiest muck that's acting like a suction cup around your rig. that is about the only reason i could see this size being needed. most guys i run with use 8000lb winches on their heeps that weigh more that our zuks and they have no problems, i'm set that when i buy i'll be going 6000lbs or less. that 9500 from costco weighs over 100lbs with the tray! i dunno what you have for springs but they're gonna sag under that weight! i think warn or superwinch has a nice 5000lbs that weighs less than 50lbs, change to synthetic line and you'll drop another 10lbs..... small also. i'm on board though with not have a winch bumper due to cost and weight, this is the route i plan to eventually take, just too much other crap keeping me busy these days ..... good luck!
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Have any up-skirt photos of this? I'd like to see how you fabbed it.
Here is mine on my GV.
T-MAX 6500.
([url]http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/gv1600/grand023-.jpg[/url])
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OK, why would I need an 8000 lb or so winch for a 2000 lb truck? How do they rate these things?
They're rated as a rolling load, ie not stuck!! Level ground with max rope left on the drum (=max. leverage). Its easy to push a Zuk in those conditions but consider the difference when its stuck. I have an 8000lb winch and have still had to double it back when winching almost vertically out of a very muddy hole. It helps to double back and use a strap as this halves the load and keeps more rope on the drum.
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Here is mine on my GV.
Thats exactly the sort of thing that I was thinking of. The only thing that bothers me is winding the rope back on evenly, can you see it going on?
Oh yeah, that and hitting trees and stuff with the stock bumper, lol.
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If a winch gets submerged in water, is it useless? Also do larger winches have longer lines or at least the ability to handle a longer line?
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IMHO the weight difference between the 5000 and the 8000 is not great enough to warrant avoiding the extra pulling power of the 8000. I have run them both on the sami and the 8000 really in nice as others have said when you are winching others with larger vehicles out. The extra pulling power is useful as well when you have 2-3 snatch blocks going to pull your rig forward and up a sidehill. The bigger winches will hold more of the bigger cable; but synthetic rope is probably much better in almost all applications. If it breaks, it falls to the ground; and you can re tie it. The 2" receiver set up is nice as well to avoid the weight on your front end all the time, but it does have to be stored in the rig then. Just my .02. ;D
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If a winch gets submerged in water, is it useless?
Mine was a cheapo winch and I've had no problems with water. The drum got seized up with mud but I stripped and cleaned it and it was OK. I checked the gearbox and the gaskets had kept the water out. The cheap winches do get hot relatively quickly. You have to take your time doing recoveries to avoid burning them out but then its not like you were going anywhere ;D
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It's not much more $$$ for the 8000lb and it's WELL worth having the extra power. People with 6000 lbs say there are times they hear the 6000 working a little too hard. If you ever 'upgrade' to a Tracker, or ANYTHING larger, a 8000 will be a must have.
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i agree that you can't argue with power, and if you want cheaper its always cheaper to buy what costco has on sale like the 9500 mentioned. if you are prepared to set up a receiver to take the beast off go big! you'll probably need a very secure mount inside also, i'ld hate to have something like that at risk of flying around if something happened. i've never seen less common sizes like 5000 or 6000's on sale anywhere......... the 5000 i mentioned is like $700CDN!! if you do go the receiver route try to set it up above the stock bumper cause in the wrong place you may not be able to get at it very easily
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So if I decide to permanently mount up a winch on my bumper and I get stuck somewhere where I need to reverse out, what then? :-\
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You hope your buddy is behind you with a winch. :P
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That's exactly why I'm building front / rear bumpers with 2" receivers, and putting the winch on a 2" mount.
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I'm not going to argue about the size winch you need.
Just today I used my 3000lb. Milemarker winch to pull the front of my Tracker sideways out of a hole against a tree... Single line pull and no problems at all. I've used it more than half a dozen times by now and I've only ever had one problem the whole time. The cable broke on a pull up a steep hill, but it was my own fault for slipping the clutch to help it and shock loading the cable over the edge of a rock... Every other time I've used it to pull me off a high center or out of a mud hole it's worked beautifully.
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Will it work without a pulley?
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Why dont you get one of those winches that run off of a power steering pump. I believe mile marker makes them. I have heard good things about these. http://milemarker.com/winch-9.html (http://milemarker.com/winch-9.html) The lowest capacity they make in hydraulic (9000 lbs) weighs 93 pounds, but there is less to go wrong (no batteries to go dead), and it must be good if the military is using them.
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Those winches look sweet :o I love hydraulics ;D I'm guessing they're big money though.
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They probably are, plus you would have to get a power steering pump if your zuk doesnt already have one(like mine)
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Has anyone seen any decent deals on 6000 - 8000 lb winches complete with everything for receiver mount?
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The Warn M8000's were selling for $550 a few months back thru 4 wheel parts. Not with a cradle and that, but that's a good deal for a good winch.
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The ramsey 8500 is 400 bucks. My buddie is running one on his CJ5 and it has never failed him, and i have seen it pulling out F-250s from some sticky deep mud.
Im thinking about getting this winch in the near futuer
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200183124_200183124
About wanting a winch with a receiver cradle already on it. It would be very simply to make your own 2" revicer mount for it.
Amilla
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That Ramsey looks awesome! Considering our dollar is worth 95 cents US right now I just might go for that :D
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I just purchased a T-Max 9000 lb winch (made in Australia) for $630 Cdn. Bought a winch cradle for $150 Cdn. (ouch) and had Gord at Max Performance (Lacombe, Alberta - one hour south of Edmonton) manufacture a 2 inch hitch receiver for less than $200 Cdn. so I can remove or install my winch in about 30 seconds. Have not used it off-road yet, but will do so this weekend. From what I have seen and read, you do not need a winch bumper unless you want the extra protection. They are heavy, and expensive. Also recommended is a second battery hooked up in parallel or what I did - if you have the money - is purchased an Optima sealed battery that puts out over 1000 cranking amps and should provide all the power you need for winching. It doesn't leak and works upside down or sideways! Wal-mart sells them for under $200 Cdn (again, ouch!!)... My next mod is to have a 2 inch receiver hitch custom made for the rear, so I can pull myself out coming or going!