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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: ppltrak on December 01, 2004, 05:18:41 AM
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Well, the other day while out wheeling I came across a rather large mud/water crossing and got some in my air box. I am looking at the type of snorkle that could also act as a cold air/ ram effect type. Has any one used one and what are pros and cons. I would like to buy one but I dont really like the hokey looking home made jobs :-/
thanks in advance,
Kevin
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tHE ONLY ONES THAT I KNOW ABOUT ARE THE SAFARI SNORKEL. BUT THEY DON'T ACT AS A RAM AIR UNLESS YOUR DRIVING FAST. WHAT I DID WAS I ADDED A TORNADO FAN. I COULDN'T TELL IF THE FAN DOESN'T ANY THING BECAUSE I DID ALL MY MODS AT THE SAME TIME. iF YOU NEED PICTURES, YOU KNOW HOW TO FIND ME, PIERRE
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Ya, the safari snorkle. Do you use your stock
air box? If so I'll need to get one of those too.
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Yes you use the stock air box. You have to drill a large hole in your fender to install it so be aware of that.
I am thinking of getting one. Not because I go through much deep water, but because I think they look cool. :D
Cwkick
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I think that with it getting cold air the preformance will increase. Is safari the only one they make?
thanks
Kevin
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I run a Safari snorkel on mine. Yes they work well in keeping the water out, already given it a good work out with multiple hood deep river crossings. You will get a small amount of induction noise though I don't notice it with the windows up. It will give you cooler air but I don't feel that it has improved performance in any real way. For really dusty conditions there are additional foam pre-filters that can be installed in the the top. The install was easy enough.
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I don't think the homemade ones have to look bad, you just have to use black ABS instead of PVC.
Mine cost me around $50 and thats including the $20 to buy the 2"3/4" hole saw drill bit to make the hole.
The Safari ones will be over $300 with shipping so to me it would have to look 6 times better....
(http://www.off-road.com/suzuki/features/antonyx90/images/p4.jpg)
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I'll take the less asthetically pleasing homemade version over a $200 snorkel ;D
(http://www.eye-irritant.com/thegallery/albums/Tracker%20Shiz/topless/day4/rollbar3.jpg)
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anyone got any more snorkel pics? (homemade etc...)
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I'll take the less asthetically pleasing homemade version over a $200 snorkel ;D
([url]http://www.eye-irritant.com/thegallery/albums/Tracker%20Shiz/topless/day4/rollbar3.jpg[/url])
Explosivo, I was wondering about the filter set-up like yours. Doesn't it get wet and make the carb run like it's on the choke ( remember my bikes with K&N's running bad in the rain due to wet filters ).
I asked around for the Cyclone filtercaps like the Landrover Defender run and they are about 40 Euro's ( so just over $ 40,-  ) so that might be a good alternative. I'm going to have the pipe running from the filterbox to the windowsill bent by someone that makes exhausts.  Any thought on pipe diameter ? Air-entrance in the original filterbox is very small, so 2 "pipe should suffice ?
( stock 1300, stock carbed 88 Samuari )
Pics will follow of course ;)
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Jip, I think 2" should be enough. I have about 3" on my Vitara (home made too ;D). Solved the filter problem in an other way, bought an Green Twister Air Filter (wich is in a housing) and connected the snorkel to that. On top of the pipe I made a cup to keep the water out. Will post some pic's when I get home.
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Jip, I think 2" should be enough. I have about 3" on my Vitara (home made too  ;D). Solved the filter problem in an other way, bought an Green Twister Air Filter (wich is in a housing) and connected the snorkel to that. On top of the pipe I made a cup to keep the water out. Will post some pic's when I get home.
Dat had je wel gewoon in het Nederlands kunnen posten hoor ;). Ik had jouw oplossing al op een andere - Belgische - site zitten bekijken  :D
( for the "foreign" readers: I got an answer from a fellow countryman  ;D
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Whoops, double ???
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Do you run a Carb version or an injection. as carb version tend to freese on the highway in the winter
my home made, by a local guy:-)
sorry about the mud but its stainless steel
below is a safari
(http://pic15.picturetrail.com/VOL617/2393799/5491112/72385920.jpg)
(http://www.markyb.co.uk/mugplug/File0003.jpg)
expensive
had to take it of to make way for the cage
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( remember my bikes with K&N's running bad in the rain due to wet filters )
I never had any problems with a genuine oiled K&N, some of the copies were rubbish though even when oiled. I used to carry a screwdriver with me to take the filters off when it rained.
I like my safari Snorkel, its a good fit, doesn't block your vision and its very strong. You could probably drive over it without damaging it. There are two types though, they are different lengths where they come through the fender - you have to get the right one for your airbox. I guessed wrong had to make an adapter for mine.
have a look at:
http://www.rhinoman.fsnet.co.uk
under mods, snorkel
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here is mine i made. it goes back into the cab. The pic you see is with the drivers fender off. works ok till the water gets more then 3 feet deep.
(http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/smaller%20snorkel%20pic.JPG)
stu
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Explosivo, I was wondering about the filter set-up like yours. Doesn't it get wet and make the carb run like it's on the choke ( remember my bikes with K&N's running bad in the rain due to wet filters ).
I asked around for the Cyclone filtercaps like the Landrover Defender run and they are about 40 Euro's ( so just over $ 40,- ) so that might be a good alternative. I'm going to have the pipe running from the filterbox to the windowsill bent by someone that makes exhausts. Any thought on pipe diameter ? Air-entrance in the original filterbox is very small, so 2 "pipe should suffice ?
( stock 1300, stock carbed 88 Samuari )
Pics will follow of course ;)
I haven't felt any difference while driving, but I have noticed a bit of dirt has gotten in when I checked everything out, so I'm currently reworking the design and trying to incorperate some sort of cover.
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I promised to put some pic's up of mine:
(http://www.suzukivitara4x4.nl/images/Fotos/Snorkel/Foto's_Monschau_en_snorkel%20049.jpg)
(http://www.suzukivitara4x4.nl/images/Fotos/Snorkel/Foto's_Monschau_en_snorkel%20051.jpg)
(http://www.suzukivitara4x4.nl/images/Fotos/Snorkel/Foto's_Monschau_en_snorkel%20052.jpg)
Hope it helps ;D
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Ed,
What did you use for the elbow on the wing (fender) and what is the thing on top (cap)??
Cwkick
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It's all normal PVC tubing, the angles you can buy in a do-it-yourself shop (at least over here in holland).
It's just a 90 degree and a 45 degree bend.
The cap is used to put on a pipe that has to be closed off (a pipe of a bigger diameter off course) I cut pieces of the sides out of the upper 45 degree bent so the air-flow would still be there.
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It's all normal PVC tubing, the angles you can buy in a do-it-yourself shop (at least over here in holland).
It's just a 90 degree and a 45 degree bend.
The cap is used to put on a pipe that has to be closed off (a pipe of a bigger diameter off course) I cut pieces of the sides out of the upper 45 degree bent so the air-flow would still be there.
Ed, kun je een foto posten van de uitsparingen die je in het uiteinde gemaakt hebt ?
In foreign: Ed, could you post a picture of the way you made the cut-outs in the toppiece ?
;)
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Hey all,
Mijn officiele naam is Ben ;D ed oorklep is een bijnaam ;)
Van deze tekening heb ik mijn inspiratie gehaald:
(http://www.terra.es/personal/vamtac/snorkel/intrucciones.jpg)
Meer info op de site:
http://www.terra.es/personal/vamtac/snorkel/index.htm
In foreing (english ;D)
The name's Ben ;D ed's my nickname ;D
Here's a pic of the guy I got the idea from
More info to be found on his site:
http://www.terra.es/personal/vamtac/snorkel/index.htm
Grtz Ben.
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Hey all,
[url]http://www.terra.es/personal/vamtac/snorkel/index.htm[/url]
Which translates through Babelfish to:
Then already it had desire to put one to him, but it did not dare to me... Thank heavens that an friend, Tato, gave to me a steel tube of 50mm of Ø and I was decided down... you have the sketches that I became before putting in task I looked for in several sites some type of support who offered a minimum of guarantee and solidity to me, but no convinced to me, so I did me, with table plastic to cut (polyurethane) very very resistant! I took thousand measures, but the truth is that until you do not put yourself no it seems good to you, so I was decided to be doing and solving the problems according to they arose, although did not arise many... In the photo of the tube without painting the snorkel it is seen very long, but in which it is painted of black is possible to be seen its present size. 2 elbows of 90º, a one of 45º tube of 1 m (75 cm. exceeded to me or but), everything of pvc of plumbing glue of the best one than I found a good tooth to be able to give to form to the supports (each one had a curvature different to adapt to the car) and a reel of the 50, that I am that later serious of the 45 (depends on the manufacturer)... a trocito of rubber of that you are put doors to fill up the hole of the plate, which I had to do with small drills (I loaded the other reels). It was good idea to be making the supposed assembly previously with the tube of pvc and the elbows, since me "cantaban" very well by where to follow. the part that is not seen is very simple to make, the worse thing was than in spite of being of 50 mm the elbows they did not enter the steel, so it had to warm up them so that they put blanditos.. like? Boiling them 5 minutitos (soup of pvc) once cold duros shrank and put again! As I am an exaggerated one with the glue, insurance that falls the doors before the snorkel! Also it gave a species me of average sphere also in steel, which welded to a trocito of tube became a wonderful hood. As you see in the drawing of down, it is necessary to cut a trocito of the original tube to obtain connects perfect. I am more than satisfied with the work. Ah! important: under the fin this calderÃÂn of air to pressure that serves to use the automatic buckets, which I did was re-to place it in the zone of more ahead, making new agujeritos for the 3 screws which it brings and being equally hidden under the fin.
Glad the drawing and Ben's pictures are clear ;D
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Why not get creative and get some pvc pipe and come off of your air filter and make a T and run one pipe to the front and another one to the fire wall, cut a small hole in it and run it up under the dash,push a pipe cap on it, when your going to run in water just take the cap from the inside and push it on the pipe in the front of your rig. or you could get fancy and use a couple of pvc ball valves, cheap and no cutting holes in your fender or have to worrie about getting water in it or getting tore off the side of your rig. get two caps and good for anti theift.
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Why not get creative and get some pvc pipe and come off of your air filter and make a T and run one pipe to the front and another one to the fire wall, cut a small hole in it and run it up under the dash,push a pipe cap on it, when your going to run in water just take the cap from the inside and push it on the pipe in the front of your rig. or you could get fancy and use a couple of pvc ball valves, cheap and no cutting holes in your fender or have to worrie about getting water in it or getting tore off the side of your rig. get two caps and good for anti theift.
Sounds like a marvelous idea !! Never seen any of these "ball valves" you're talking about, but I will ask around and see if I can creat anything like you're describing ( still......a snorkel on the side looks cool even if it can be taken off by a tree ;) )
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thanks ;D
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you could use gate valves as well.
sorta like this
http://www.campingworld.com/browse/skus/index.cfm?skunum=6382
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Do you run a Carb version or an injection. as carb version tend to freese on the highway in the winter
my home made, by a local guy:-)
sorry about the mud but its stainless steel
below is a safari
([url]http://pic15.picturetrail.com/VOL617/2393799/5491112/72385920.jpg[/url])
([url]http://www.markyb.co.uk/mugplug/File0003.jpg[/url])
expensive
had to take it of to make way for the cage
i still want an exo like his
:'(
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ed's looks pretty good
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ive thought about making one that runs through ur firewall and inside the car... definitely not as cool looking but no need to worry about the filter getting wet or anything... i think old jeeps or small army trucks had them
form or function?... oiling it, like ive heard is needed would annoy me after a while i think, might become second nature though
Andrew
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Why not get creative and get some pvc pipe and come off of your air filter and make a T and run one pipe to the front and another one to the fire wall, cut a small hole in it and run it up under the dash,push a pipe cap on it, when your going to run in water just take the cap from the inside and push it on the pipe in the front of your rig. or you could get fancy and use a couple of pvc ball valves, cheap and no cutting holes in your fender or have to worrie about getting water in it or getting tore off the side of your rig. get two caps and good for anti theift.
ahhhh missed ur post, awesome idea though!!!
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Any one have a pic of how to hook up the pipe to the airbox?
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Well Ya Hozers,
Don't be afraid of thinking "Outside The Box"
I found my "snorkel" at a Swap Meet and had "NO CLUE" what its was for!! I just knew it would look cool and would have a Factory/ Military spec. issue look!!
The price was right $15.00 US and it was OEM for "something" as it was still in the black primer.
( I will try to get my oldest son to do a Pix Download)
A lot of farm/construction machinery presents some really cool ideas!!!
Its air intake is just above the hood line. (Hey if it's deeper than that, IT"S STAND UP IN THE SEAT & STEERING WITH YOUR KNEES & PRAYING THE IGNITION WON"T CRAP OUT!!!!)
It mostly acts as a "Pre Cleaner" and gets "Fresh Air" from outside the engine compartment.
CAPT