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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: dwcrisp on June 07, 2005, 02:07:30 PM
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I keep seeing tricked out cool monster tire jeeps and nicely set up Cherokees, a few H-1 and H-2s, and the odd general SUV or pickup tricked out with cool stuff and think, man I gotta get me one of them!
Then I go wheelin out in the wilderness in my little Tracker.  Driving over ATV trails with sand hill climbs that are to tight and steep for big rigs while the jeepers and cherokeesers stand around with their hands in their pockets shaking their heads, then I cruise through hood high water, power through soft sand that would sink an H-2, cruise through narrow trails that would rip the sides off other rigs and I think, Naw Iv'e got it pretty good in this little rig!  Then I take off the top, throw my surfboard in the open back, head to the beach and have a blast.  And no one will steal the little guy!
Ever try off roadin with someone standing up in the back, and ten minutes later have the top on in the rain?
Yep think Ill keep the little trucklet! ÂÂ
Now I need to get some bigger shoes (only runnin 235s)and I gotta get a cruise control!
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he has the bug ;D
jason
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Thats It! I have a name for my truck! Little Green Bug!
Or just Green Bug, or little bug.
Thats it
Little Bug!
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oh s**t. what did i do ::)
jason
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Ok so what happens when you need to go someplace
(here in colorado)with real BIG rocks on the trail, and its said a jeep needs to run 35 to 37 inch tires. Will my 4door kick ever have a chance, with out lots of mods? From reading these threads for about a month, 31 inches is enough, bigger than that things start to break.
Does it take more modification to a kick than a jeep for the real big stuff?
Don't get me wrong, I really like my kick, and it uses alot less fuel than a jeep, and probably is more reliable too.
I have lots of questions about wheeling, but I am trying to gleen info from these threads a while first before I ask too many questions. I went up a few weeks ago, thru some creeks, and dipped the hood under the water a couple times. I have a video of it also. What fun!
well this has been long enough.
Thanks
Jeff
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I think Mike Hagen once said a Track/Kick
on 35s is like a Heep on 38s, so that being
true, a Kick on 31s should be like a Heep
on 34-35s ;D Get a locker too, makes
Heeps shutter :o
Wild
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Thats It! I have a name for my truck! Little Green Bug!
Or just Green Bug, or little bug.
Thats it
Little Bug!
Or Little Bug-er ;D :P
Anyway, keep that as you have the advantage of getting through tighter trails (more places to go! ;)) and about the big rocks, make sure your got plenty of undercarriage armor, regear, huge tires, etc. to go over huge rocks and keep up with them Heeps...! ;D
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 Get a locker too, makes
Heeps shutter  :o
Wild
Is there a big diffrence between, for example, a air locker and a auburn posi? There sure is a big diffrence in price. :(
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Is there a big diffrence between, for example, a air locker and a auburn posi? There sure is a big diffrence in price. :(
Posi = Limited Slip = Less slip than an open diff, but more than a locker.
Air lockers are cool... open diff to fully 100% locked with the push of a button ;)
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Here is the only pick I could find of me and my club. The guys I ride are 37's+ with the majority of them being 40's+. Needless to say I'm the runt of the bunch with my Kick on 33's but she hangs right in there with them on 90% of the obsticles. As far as cost goes, yea I have spent time and money on my ride but nowhere near the cost of buying and building a Jeep.
Zig
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the money I've got into my trac might buy a POS heep ...
I can go just as far or further than heeps that have 2x as much into them.
But of course it's a "girlie car" LOL
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Ok so what happens when you need to go someplace
(here in colorado)with real BIG rocks on the trail, and its said a jeep needs to run 35 to 37 inch tires.
Where would you like to go Jeff?
I run the Rock Garden on Spring Creek, and Chinamans, on 31's. You can too. Yeah, it'll take some money.
Where are you in Colorado?
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he has the bug ;D
jason
More like the BUG or LITTLE BUGGER has him. ;)
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Where would you like to go Jeff?
I run the Rock Garden on Spring Creek, and Chinamans, on 31's.  You can too.  Yeah, it'll take some money.
Where are you in Colorado?
Where are you?I live in Pueblo. My dream is Blanca peak. So far the only place I gave been is Medano pass. I tried another place with my grand voyager once , but my wife got tired of spotting. ( 2 or 3 miles worth) HA HA. I have a video foing thru the creek, but have not figured out how to show y'all.
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lol you went wheeling in a Grand Voyager? i want to see that pic
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Well, I know this is about "Tracker Vs Jeep Vs Cherokee Vs SUV".  And its a long story, but lets just say I took the thing where I should'nt have.  On that road, the 2wd caravan had clearence issues.  On the other hand, the 4wd volvo wagon I saw up there had a worse time than me.  Sorry no picts.
Jeff
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Where are you?I live in Pueblo.  My dream is Blanca peak.
I'm north of Black Hawk. Blanca is an optimistic dream, but I know there's a Track/Kick guy down there that runs Blanca all the time. Does Search & Rescue work up there, and everything. His name escapes me right now... Well, I'd have to look in my Colorado Trails Volume 1, by Chuck Wells, to search out good trails down south, but I'm sure there are plenty of 'em!
Yeah, I want to do Medano Pass some time, just haven't gotten down there yet - I heard it was closed off last week, because of the high runoff. I love the Dunes.
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To Echojeff:
I used to wheel in a Jeep CJ-5 but it wasnt anymore "set up" than a typical built up Tracker or Kick. My Tracker is more capable in the conditions we have here in Central FL than my CJ was. The thing is we have a swampy, sandy, fairly flat type of terrain and lots of brush and roots to navigate but no rocks.
A Kick/Track/Sammy is the perfect rig for our conditions but I wouldnt make it my rock crawler!
What makes these little trucks so good here is that they are light, articulate well, narrow, very manueverable and handle the sandy tight trails really well. It's kind of like the plains of Africa if that gives an idea.
But for big rock country I would add a crawler type rig to the stable for sure.
but never get rid of that little bug!
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Former Sami owner now Jeep XJ owner...
Ever try to drive an American Bus in downtown Tokyo? That's kinda what it would feel like driving a 4dr Cherokee compared to my old sami.
Plus these things break at the wrong time. When should an axle snap? In a hard situation right? NO! Try on the road making a left to air up at the gas station. WTF!
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I can do 95% of what my friend can do on (Jeep on 35's) with a set of 32's.
A stock jeep can't handle anything above a 33" tire without snaping axils when driven hard. My friend has $1500 + in his rear axil so that he can run 35's.
He's now going up to 37's in the hope to out wheel me. I don't think so...
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Plus these things break at the wrong time. When should an axle snap? In a hard situation right? NO! Try on the road making a left to air up at the gas station. WTF!
Now that's funny
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I have both a '98 ZJ and a '90 Tracker. The ZJ needs a tranny and the Tracker needs an engine. I had a '73 CJ5 and miss it alot. It was on 33's, full cage, OBA, spooled D44...
THe ZJ is on 5.5", 33's, ARB. M8000 and lots more. It's weak point is not it's axles or size. It's the weight. It sinks in sand regardless of tire choice or air pressure. I've taken the ZJ many places that others would not. The Tracker will fit in a lot of tiny places just like the CJ5 did.
The ZJ is outfitted as it will probably stay, and the Tracker will see a bit more lift and some 31's... Either way, the wheeling experience in the two rigs is very different and each has thier pluses. ;)
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I've got a 93 ZJ and an 87 Sami.
I've also wheeled with friends who own TJs/YJs of various sizes and a ZJ on 35s (6" with Claytons).
Unibodies suck (you should see the stress cracks 3 years of wheeling make.
D35s blow
with finesse D30s will live
This weekend, my Zuke on 215s far surpased what I thought it could do, and impressed many people who watched me drive it.
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The ZJ needs a tranny
That's an understatement... My 96 ZJ went through 3 in 1.5 years... I bought it on it's second tranny. those RE/RH chrysler designs are HORID!
Swap in an AW4 from an XJ along with the computer and it will live 500k miles with extreme use.
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I think Mike Hagen once said a Track/Kick
on 35s is like a Heep on 38s, so that being
true, a Kick on 31s should be like a Heep
on 34-35s ;D Get a locker too, makes
Heeps shutter :o
Wild
Are you talking 2dr, or 4dr kick? or does it matter. I know the 4dr is only a little lighter than a Heep.
the money I've got into my trac might buy a POS heep ...
I can go just as far or further than heeps that have 2x as much into them.
But of course it's a "girlie car" LOL
The heep guy I just ran with doesnt seem to have any more into it than I would... I think the kick does look better than a heep.
Here is the only pick I could find of me and my club. The guys I ride are 37's+ with the majority of them being 40's+. Needless to say I'm the runt of the bunch with my Kick on 33's but she hangs right in there with them on 90% of the obsticles. As far as cost goes, yea I have spent time and money on my ride but nowhere near the cost of buying and building a Jeep.
Zig
Maxima CV's? whats up with that? How hard was that put togather? That is a cool pic. kind a like mighty mouse or atom ant.
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Posted by: echojeff Posted on: Today at 9:47pm
Maxima CV's?  whats up with that? How hard was that put togather? That is a cool pic.  kind a like mighty mouse or atom ant.
There is a whole section devoted to Mr Hagens build ups of many Kick related Items. Good Readings
http://www.zukiworld.com/main_departments_archive.htm
Go down just pass the half way mark and Hagens articles will be boxed by Gray on the right side of the screen.
And heres the article of the build up axle shafts
http://www.zukiworld.com/month_040103/feature_hagencvshaft.htm