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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: sled0890 on September 12, 2007, 08:18:16 PM
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im new to this forum, and i think the d44's to fit a samurai need to come out of a wagoneer or older cherokee? but my question is what year wagoneer or cherokee?
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I think they are around a 1978 but has to be the quadratrack model for the off set rear.
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thanks, how do you know if it has quadratrac?
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It should say on the side of it. And I think that was the full time 4wd model.
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any idea on were to find these axles? ive looked almost everywhere
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You can get just about any Dana 44 and have it cut down to size. If they are moving the tubes around they could even switch them to a passenger side offset and match your exisiting setup.
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how much wider are the dana 44's then the stock sammy axles? and then how much wider then the yota axles are they?
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It depends on what you pull them off of. Here is a link to a bunch of Dana 44 options and their width.
http://www.jedi.com/obiwan/jeep/d44swap.html
If you get a full width Dana 44 or Ford 9" you can cut it down to whatever size you want then order axles to match.
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would a 70's chevy front dana 44 work for a swap in a sammy? :-\
thanks :)
Robbie
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If you go dana axles over a set of yotas you are going to have to outboard your springs (leaf springs on the outside of the frame)and the gears are going to be around 3.54's or so in a stock waggy axle ver. yota 4.10's or lower and the front 44 should be a flat top knuckle for your steering(about 80.00 buck's egay)so try and get something that is closer to what you need to be cheaper and easyer.
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i plan to do coils up front and leafs in the rear so mounting leafs on the outside of the frame will just be in the rear, coils will already be outside. i like the yota axles but want the width of the dana's and overkill factor >:D haha and there alot easier to find around here. is there any reasons why i shouldnt do the chevy danas over the waggy axles? they both have passenger side offset and thats really the only reason ive heard to go with the waggy axles :-\
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The main reason to use Waggy axles is they are thinner then the Chevy axles. Do you want to run full width or have them cut down?
Club member is currently putting a Dana 44 in front and a 9" in the rear. He actually cut them down to the same width as Toyota's.
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well idk im going to stretch the wheelbase to 100-110 inches so i want it to have a wider stance but is the width of the toyota axle enough compared to the length of the wheelbase im shooting for?
THANKS
Robbie
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4 Runners have a 103 wheelbase, so your right in line with that. It also depens on your wheeling, a full width axle simple won't fit around the trees around here. But if your building for mud you could be ok.
Don't forget, you can always just put a set of wheel spacers on to get you an extra inch or two.
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The waggys will turn a little sharper but are also a little bit heavyer and have to be taken in for gear setup etc. the yotas have third members that are removable for upgrading or repair, I would just not trust taking my rig to a shop around here and leaving it with someone for a couple of weeks or go through the hassle of taking the whole diff in,and the front third on a toy will interchange with the rear if you have to to get home etc, and I personally think yotas are stronger than a 44 in stock form.
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well location for wheeling with this is out west rock crawling. and i want to run 39 inch tires so will the yotas hold up to 39's? ive read that 35's are about max with the toy axles.
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Yota's with after market shafts will hold up to 38 and 39 in tires without an issue. Especially with a vehicle as light as a Sammy. There are quite a few Toyota guys running 37" tires with stock Toy running gear underneath them. Any axle can be built to handle pretty large tires, it just depends on how much you want to spend. Your probably looking at 1500+ per axle to run 39" tires no matter what you choose.
For crawling out here I wouldn't recommend going full width. There have only been a few obstacles that I have looked at and said "I wish I was a bit wider" on. That includes Moab, all over Washington, and Johnson Valley. Couldn't tell you about Oregon though, never ran any trails in Oregon. :)
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but around here finding full good toyota axles is like a "needle in a haystack" and when you do find them there expensive and still stock. were dana 44's are easy to find stock, and ones that are already built up.
is there any places you couldnt go because full width axles were too wide?
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I agree, the west coast has been chewing up all the available Toy's for a while. You could go with FJ axles...
Toyota Axle Width
* '79-85 front axle~ 55.5", rear axle~ 55"
* '86-95 front IFS~ 59", rear axle~ 58.5"
With a full width axle you are looking at 65" or greater. Stock Sammy I think is only 53". So add a foot to the width of your vehicle. Then the extra width from your tires, so tack another 6-12" on there and figure you will be close to 2' wider when all is said and done. Take a picture of your rig with a ruler on each side of the tire and decide if that is where you want to be. If it is, cool. If not, smaller axles. :)
I know some of Oregon is limited to short wheelbase only. I'm not sure about California but I know there has been talk to putting a maximum width on some trails to slow down damage. Someone else might know more about restrictions. I know you will have some problems tree dodging in tight areas.
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that would be crazy it would be like a giant go cart but cooler! ;D ill take a look at it though see if id like it or not
thanks
Robbie