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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: Zuki Nation on October 29, 2007, 01:29:06 PM
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We have had a lot of requests for pictures of our Alter Ego flexing. We hope this is ok, our web designer is away and we are unable to update our web site. Here are a couple pics of what you have been asking for. This truck just came off our hoist, has 4.5" Alter Ego lift, 31" tires, no body lift.
Has 57" from ground to wheel well, all tires solid contact patch to ground. Cheers.
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What is involved in this lift and how much does it cost?
I'm guessing your lift means the motor and trans will sit 2" higher then with a suspension + body lift meaning a higher center of gravity but also meaning better clearance. Not sure which trumps which for my needs.
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This is a true 4.5" susp. lift only. Website has pricing, zukination.com (http://zukination.com). The kit is completely bolt in. In actuality a body lifted truck of the same height has a higher centre of gravity than a susp. only truck. Lots of factors...long story short your body, interior. bumpers, add ons, etc..weigh much greater than your drivetrain, plus your drivetrain sits low in your frame, where as the others sit high and above. COG lower on susp. only truck. We have nothing against body lifts, just as long as they are not excessive.
We can email other pics which show flex better in full size pic and if you have any other questions please direct them to info|removethispart|@zukination.com.
Thanks
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Pretty cool. Have you tested it on an X-90? I wonder what the biggest tire you could fit to an x-90 would be... Need someone with an x-90 and good mechanical abilities to test it for you? LOL! Let me know... ;)
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In actuality a body lifted truck of the same height has a higher centre of gravity than a susp. only truck. Lots of factors...long story short your body, interior. bumpers, add ons, etc..weigh much greater than your drivetrain, plus your drivetrain sits low in your frame, where as the others sit high and above. COG lower on susp. only truck.
I have to respectfully disagree, The body on a first Gen Sidekick is very light. I put the first body lift on a Sidekick back in the mid 90's (it still is on lil Suzy) back when everyone said it couldn't be done. Four guys can easily pick up and walk off with a Sidekick body. It is actually so weak on its own there needs to be support pads on the frame between the body mounts to keep the body from buckling. The majority of the weight of a Sidekick is in the frame, engine, and suspension. At the very least it must be clear that raising the engine and frame higher as opposed to just raising the body puts more weight farther from the ground.
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In actuality a body lifted truck of the same height has a higher centre of gravity than a susp. only truck. Lots of factors...long story short your body, interior. bumpers, add ons, etc..weigh much greater than your drivetrain, plus your drivetrain sits low in your frame, where as the others sit high and above. COG lower on susp. only truck.
I have to respectfully disagree, The body on a first Gen Sidekick is very light. I put the first body lift on a Sidekick back in the mid 90's (it still is on lil Suzy) back when everyone said it couldn't be done. Four guys can easily pick up and walk off with a Sidekick body. It is actually so weak on its own there needs to be support pads on the frame between the body mounts to keep the body from buckling. The majority of the weight of a Sidekick is in the frame, engine, and suspension. At the very least it must be clear that raising the engine and frame higher as opposed to just raising the body puts more weight farther from the ground.
Ditto, I just did a body lift not to long ago for a friend, and will be doing one in mine. I 2nd what was said in the qoute.
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Wow, thanks for the pics. I just emailed you the other day asking for some. Very nice. One thing though...can you post a flex pic of the forklift lifting one of the front tires?? Will be greatly appreciated.
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I want to see a frontal shot of that thing so you can see how much front skidplate clearance there is. Or just measure it and let me know, either way. It'd be super neat to see one like that with a 2" body lift and 33's tires as well, possibly with the Hagan widening mod and Toyota CV's...
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it looks like it flexs really well
i have seen zukinations lifts for the sidekicks along with the sammi products that they make
must say, lots of testing and hard work has gone into that lift 8)
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I want to see a frontal shot of that thing so you can see how much front skidplate clearance there is. Or just measure it and let me know, either way. It'd be super neat to see one like that with a 2" body lift and 33's tires as well, possibly with the Hagan widening mod and Toyota CV's...
After reading their site description of the 4.5" lift, their front arms already move the front wheels forward. The Hagen widening mod would not be needed for the wheelwell clearance, but maybe for the addition of the yota cvs...
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Mucho dineros, think I'd SAS first. It looks real good though.
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Sweet, lift! bigger is better ;D
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After reading their site description of the 4.5" lift, their front arms already move the front wheels forward. The Hagen widening mod would not be needed for the wheelwell clearance, but maybe for the addition of the yota cvs...
Yeah, that's kinda what I meant.
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Making the new control arms with a more forward position for the wheel is a great idea. I guess the reason calmini didn't do that is because you would need a longer cv shaft to reach, which would add more money to the kit, and more work.
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Wow, thanks for the pics. I just emailed you the other day asking for some. Very nice. One thing though...can you post a flex pic of the forklift lifting one of the front tires?? Will be greatly appreciated.
I'd like to see that too if possible, I'm very interested in this kit once I get some money to replace the one I have on now....
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As for C.O.G. I have 7-8 inch of suspention lift only with the front sway bar removed. I have 14" of clearance in the center of the truck (Ground to bottom of frame).
I've never had a problem with the center being too high. It's amazing what you can go through with that much clearance on 32" MTR's.
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57" from the ground to wheel well ??? Holy smokes Batman. A stock height kick is only 31" and my kick with a hybred calmini 3" susp. lift with a 2" body lift only measures 42" from the ground to the rear wheel well at the highest point. Thats like a 27" lift talk about a high COG. Looks good though.
Kevin
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I think he means with the fork lift holding the truck up and all 4 wheels still on the ground. The wheel well is 57" from the ground in the bottom picture.
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Making the new control arms with a more forward position for the wheel is a great idea. I guess the reason calmini didn't do that is because you would need a longer cv shaft to reach, which would add more money to the kit, and more work.
I'm pretty sure that the Calmini arms do place the wheel a little further forward. Next time I have my suspension apart I'll check but I do recall that the driveshafts are around 1" further extended. That was why I couldn't run the OME shocks and the 2" strut spacers.
I'd like to see a good picture of this kit from the rear so we can see the angle of the axle. One from front on too. Its difficult to compare articulation from side on and angled shots. Everyone has different size tyres and different body lifts which makes the distance between the tyre and wheel arch different.
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We'll take a quick minute to answer some questions we saw.
From ground to bottom of front diff 14.75" w/ 31" tires on 4.5" lift. You can still use factory front skid plate but small mod has to be made to clear frt diff housing. Ground to centre of frame(middle of truck) 15.75". We have one other flex pic, taken more of a front angle, unfortunetely we were in a rush to take these and only have a few. This truck was running 31" tires, 4.5" lift, no body lift. In this pic we turned the front tire to the position where they rub most and as you can see under compression we still have daylight between tire and factory wheel well. That truck is now back under the knife...2" body lift, bumpers, 33's, etc, etc....
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Totally sick flex in the back. Front: probably not so much w/ the ifs. When you market the 99+ kits, please be sure to offer the crazy-flexy rear-end bits as an option like you do w/ your gen 1 3" & 4" kits. ::)
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that's a solid 2inches more in the center of the frame than i have on my 03 with my current lift! i hope the gen2 lift will be very similar in ride height. would required front flex pics though! even though i'm quite sure the front really doesn't flex anymore than it would with my current lift ??? please prove me wrong!
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The flex is great, but ground clearance measurements really mean a lot to me. Thanks for putting those up.
This is the reason i'm re-doing my suspension to a hybrid OME/Calmini suspension, to achieve more ground clearance firstly, and secondly for more flex (in the rear).
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Wow, 15" of clearance is AWESOME especially with our short wheelbases. Add a body lift and 33" tires...oh my I can hardly contain myself!