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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: JoeCool on December 15, 2007, 03:42:49 PM
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I mostly advocate for guys to do their own work, start with an oil change and continue investing in tools and knowledge 'till you can do most work yourself.
Here's the problem, so many people are afraid of dirty grease monkeys. On a national basis grease monkeys are revered nicely between lawyers and pond scum for business integrity. This should not be the case. Another guy on this site has put his life, his families life, and the lives and well being of everybody else on the road into jeopardy because he didn't trust his mechanics word that he needed new brakes.
Most techs are honest and well trained.
Yes their pay is based on what you buy from them. So is a doctors but if he tells you you need kemo you take it. The fact is there is enough work that is necessary that a tech doesn't need to be dishonest. It doesn't mean there aren't thieving pricks out there but ask around and you can find good ones.
Living in fear of techs is foolish and dangerous. Learn to do your own work if you can't afford or trust the techs near you. the best way is to arm yourself with knowledge, if you think you are being griffted ask for estimates from multiple shops. Most will at least estimate for free. And you can always ask to be shown the problem, the new and used parts.
And please remember the price of a vehicle does not end with the purchase, it includes maintenance and consumable parts.(brakes, tires, fluids, filters etc.) Notice when the car mags do long term test of vehicles they include additional costs.
Please maintain your vehicles for the sake of your loved ones and the loved ones of everybody whom you share the road with. Thanks
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You make some good points.A person should not do something they aren't capable of,so a mechanic is a necessity.
Find a qualified mechanic you feel comfortable with and use them whenever you must.It takes more than a garage and tools to make a mechanic,and as you said being armed with knomledge when you "interview" a mechanic is a must.
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Another guy on this site has put his life, his families life, and the lives and well being of everybody else on the road into jeopardy because he didn't trust his mechanics word that he needed new brakes.
You know, I think enough is enough with this:
MY BREAKS WORK FINE, SO STOP PREACHING!!!
Are you going to get into religion next?
You're getting real obnoxious with this, not to mention the fact that you're trying to tell me to DO IT MYSELF!
Moderators, sorry if I went over the line here, but this is totally out of line.
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FYI, it's BRAKES. Better hope they don't break. I think everyone should also lighten up.
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Ok,
I really wanted to keep my mouth shut, or in this case my keyboard...
I followed the thread on did the big tires save my life from the start just to see what people said actully helped and not the damn drama about needing brakes....
I liked this place up intill now, I hate the drama crap...
It's really stupid in a forum about viecles...
Ok cool,
you have a disagreement with not getting the brakes fixed, but damn, thats not what the post was about !
I have had plenty of mechanics say i need this or that then when i say i cant afford to do it all, they oh well i guess i could cut the rotors one more time or i guess i could drill out this or do that for alot cheaper then their first estimate price, when they figure out they aint getting the money they trying to con you out of.....
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Um. It's really not that hard to look at your break pads / shoes / lines yourself and see if they need replacement / repair. You can either take the tires off yourself, or have one of the break places inspect it for free. If they recommend something be replaced, have them walk you out to the car, and show you the part. If the pads are thin - replace them. If there's break fluid leaking out, that's pretty obvious too.
Not really sure I understand the drama, but it sounds to me like each of you has expressed their opinion and no one is budging here. So it's time to agree to disagree. I encourage each of us to move on if we've already said what we have to say.
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Um. It's really not that hard to look at your break pads / shoes / lines yourself and see if they need replacement / repair. You can either take the tires off yourself, or have one of the break places inspect it for free. If they recommend something be replaced, have them walk you out to the car, and show you the part. If the pads are thin - replace them. If there's break fluid leaking out, that's pretty obvious too.
Not really sure I understand the drama, but it sounds to me like each of you has expressed their opinion and no one is budging here. So it's time to agree to disagree. I encourage each of us to move on if we've already said what we have to say.
I totally agree hole heartedly....
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it IS hard to find a mechanic you trust. I called to price check changing my glowplugs and was quoted $250. Meanwhile I can do the job myself for $50. ???
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some people are great with cars, some are good and some just dont want to do that sort of thing
everyone has an opinion and not everyone is going to agree with it
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I totally agree hole heartedly....
I believe that should be whole not hole. Butt whate doo eye no? :laugh: :laugh:
I agree, people need to lighten up a tad bit about this. JoeCool, most line mechanic's do know what they are doing but not every one needs the services of one. And Ira, like was posted it is easy to inspect your own brakes.
Read the positive posts and understand that people are giving you good advice. And ignore those stating you are a death threat. Sure you may need to have your brakes gone through before you drive again but then again, you may not.
I know how to do a brake job and what to check but have still driven a rig past the time it needed a brake job. Am I a criminal for doing this? ???
And IRA, it may help if you spell BRAKE correctly.
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(you dont see me complaining that my tracker was turned down in "readers rides")
That's not a tracker it's a rollerskate with a bad nose job. :laugh:
Hey, I don't have much room to talk as I now own something like that. :o Even has dark windows and graphics on the side. :laugh:
I am open minded enough to see when to laugh and when to just walk away.
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(you dont see me complaining that my tracker was turned down in "readers rides")
That's not a tracker it's a rollerskate with a bad nose job. :laugh:
Hey, I don't have much room to talk as I now own something like that. :o Even has dark windows and graphics on the side. :laugh:
I am open minded enough to see when to laugh and when to just walk away.
i would normally take offense to such a comment... but then i realize where your heads at :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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i would normally take offense to such a comment... but then i realize you got your head up your butt :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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No, that's not me. That is cal mini. :laugh:
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i would normally take offense to such a comment... but then i realize you got your head up your butt :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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No, that's not me. That is cal mini. :laugh:
im not cool enough to be in the loop for that joke :P ::)
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I totally agree hole heartedly....
I believe that should be whole not hole. Butt whate doo eye no? :laugh: :laugh:
I agree, people need to lighten up a tad bit about this. JoeCool, most line mechanic's do know what they are doing but not every one needs the services of one. And Ira, like was posted it is easy to inspect your own brakes.
Read the positive posts and understand that people are giving you good advice. And ignore those stating you are a death threat. Sure you may need to have your brakes gone through before you drive again but then again, you may not.
I know how to do a brake job and what to check but have still driven a rig past the time it needed a brake job. Am I a criminal for doing this? ???
And IRA, it may help if you spell BRAKE correctly.
Oh No !
call the improper spelling and context police
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im not cool enough to be in the loop for that joke :P ::)
Hey, check your pm's.
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King Zoo, sorry for singling you out and I don't want to cause drama. The thing is as a tech it is insulting to me to hear such unfounded fear of professionals in my line of career. I whole heartedly encourage those who can do their own work to do so and for those who almost can to gain the skill sets and learn to. I for one have made my living off the skill sets I learned as a result of not being able to afford to have somebody else do it for me.
The fact is most cars you see at a junk yard have bald tires and crash damage, related perhaps? Most likely, and it's a sign of people who don't keep up on their maintenance enough to stay out of harms way. Yes even when the pads are gone your car will come to a halt as metal to metal will still bring you to a stop. Albeit with grinding and noise. But at the same distance? Perhaps not. For the most part when things like this are overlooked it simply gets more expensive to repair. I have however seen some just plain scary vehicles. I just about hit the alignment rack one day because no brakes really meant NO BRAKES! I've seen ball joints come completely out of the socket with little more than prying the control arm downward. This sort of thing could come apart over a speed bump or high speed pothole. I've seen axle shafts come apart when a bearing finally seizes up.
Yes I'm preaching but someone has to. Never forget that you are hurtling 2100+ lbs of steel rubber and glass down the road, on most vehicles twice that. Please just drive safe people.
And yes it is a crime to drive past the limits of your parts, that's why we have safety inspections. Every shop has the ability as enforced via the Highway patrol to keep an unsafe car from driving out of the parking lot. Not that it is good business practice to do so. I'll stop preaching now. Thanks for listening.
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You know, I think enough is enough with this:
MY BREAKS WORK FINE, SO STOP PREACHING!!!
Are you going to get into religion next?
You're getting real obnoxious with this, not to mention the fact that you're trying to tell me to DO IT MYSELF!
Moderators, sorry if I went over the line here, but this is totally out of line.
You gotta get past this, Ira. I followed the other thread, and it never even came to mind when reading this post until you mentioned it. Let him do his thing, you do your thing, and let that be that. No sense getting yourself in a lather over something some dude who has nothing to do with you is typing on a bulletin board. In fact, I may have to start needling you myself if it's that easy to get a rise out of you! It'd sure beat working!
Turn the other cheek. Live and let live. Don't mess around with Slim. Every rose has its thorns. To infinity, and beyond! I have no idea what I'm talking about now.
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thank you so very much! i do not say anything just let my work speak for itself. the only time i have a vehicle return is a happy customer bringing it back for some other reason because they were happy with my work. there have been tech's or mechanics who are shady yet that is no reason to say we all are. just thought i would thank everyone who still keeps faith in us.
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I have however seen some just plain scary vehicles. I just about hit the alignment rack one day because no brakes really meant NO BRAKES! I've seen ball joints come completely out of the socket with little more than prying the control arm downward. This sort of thing could come apart over a speed bump or high speed pothole. I've seen axle shafts come apart when a bearing finally seizes up.
We had a semi truck drive in with the tie rod end attached with bailing wire. He said "I had to stop twice on the way here cause it kept popping out"(ball out of socket). Driver didn't know It wasn't suppose to do that. Thats not even the worst.
I have had plenty of mechanics say i need this or that then when i say i cant afford to do it all, they oh well i guess i could cut the rotors one more time or i guess i could drill out this or do that for alot cheaper then their first estimate price, when they figure out they aint getting the money they trying to con you out of.....
I don't know the shop you are talking about but when I read this It makes me think about the fact that there is a right way to fix things and a cheap way to fix things. They are not the same. You might be able to "cut the rotors one more time" but why not purchase new rotors so the work won't have to be redone sooner because of a warped rotor? How much money are you saving in the long run? That mechanic is making the same amount of money either way and most likely so is the shop.
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I think we lost Ira. Ira are you there? ;D ;D ???
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hell i live in a small town right next to a reservation. ive seen some vehicles that would make you worry about being on the streets. try telling a car load of oversized arapahoe guys that the metal on metal sound they hear when they step on their brakes isnt good. or that the oil leak only stopped because they quit putting oil in it. i had a guy bring in a car that was stopping with the caliper pucks and all he wanted me to do was repair the tail lights. i think they should patrol for unsafe cars and condem them.
i to agree that a tech should be taken seriously, but there are exceptions. im a tech myself so i can honestly admit to seeing some almost un-honests up-sales. ive even seen a few techs break something and then charge the customer for it. ive seen half |removethispart|@$$ work go out the door. but as a tech i "WILL NOT "throw a co worker under the bus. ill voice my opinions and hope it helps, but theres a line that cant be crossed there. i believe in a customer getting second opinions anytime something doesnt seem right. but it does pi$$ me of to get flat blown off by a customer when something needs repaired for safety reasons. they could atleast go for that second opinion. i have family on the road with these people, and its scarry as he11to think about them out there with the morons.
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I am a master certified ase mechanic,and a master certified emergency vehicle technician,and have been for 18 years.All i am saying is if you are not capable of fixing something don't.
Check into the machanic you choose to use,I have had many people even ask for references.Allways keep the old part so you can show the consumer what was replaced and why,then take it back for your core deposit return.It goes a long way in customer relations,and makes it easier for the customer to understand.
But like i said,a shop and tools don't make a mechanic.I have had to fire 2 very certified ase mechanics because they were completely incapable.