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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: Ronzuki on October 29, 2004, 07:00:37 AM

Title: OUCH! (roll vid)
Post by: Ronzuki on October 29, 2004, 07:00:37 AM
It amazes me what some people are more concerned about...
listen to the guy filming!

http://www.fototime.com/094EB039C2D53B8/orig.WMV
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Post by: keith on October 29, 2004, 07:56:11 AM
That is scarry.  I wonder if they were hurt?
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Post by: zooky on October 29, 2004, 08:32:50 AM
no, we were not hurt :o
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Post by: Speedracer7c on October 29, 2004, 10:35:15 AM
Wow
Crazyness!
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Post by: Drone637 on October 29, 2004, 11:12:57 AM
Good roll cage.  :)
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Post by: Mikerpm4x4 on October 29, 2004, 11:20:03 AM
Thanks for the vid.  ;) Makes me think I cound use just a little more cage. ::) Im glad noone was hurt.

Mike
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Post by: explosivo on October 29, 2004, 11:58:49 AM
Wow... that looked rough :o
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Post by: Mike71 on October 29, 2004, 12:04:33 PM
gesh dude that is totaly what i am affraid of
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Post by: flexmonger on October 29, 2004, 01:26:18 PM
  Ya , I looked at the video also. Came to the conclusion the guy filming has no concern for the people inside the zuks welfare.
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Post by: Utah_Tracker on October 29, 2004, 03:03:28 PM
And you must ask your self, when you see a friend trip and fall are you the guy that stops and helps him up or the guy that falls on their butt laughing?
 Really good roll cage.  Rolls are so much softer when people are doing less than 80 mph! ;)
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Post by: HotRod on October 29, 2004, 03:41:29 PM
The person running down to the rig was yelling are you Okay? and the driver responded "Ya"
then the guy said "I have it all on tape".
And thats way I have a cage. (the Gf wanted one ;))
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Post by: Agent Orange on October 29, 2004, 07:12:15 PM
that's what scares me about some off-roading. i wouldn't want something like that to happen without a cage or a harness. a harness would be most important to keep you planted in the seat.

i want both.
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Post by: Huppo on October 29, 2004, 11:22:42 PM
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 Came to the conclusion the guy filming has no concern for the people inside the zuks welfare.


Max (guy running the videocam) is a good guy, you just have to know him.  And yes, he is nuts.

Here is the pilot (zooky) after being righted.

He just sawzalled the cage off and went wheeling again the next day.

~daxe

(http://zukibot.home.comcast.net/squished.jpg)
Title: Re: OUCH! (roll vid)
Post by: TomKat on October 30, 2004, 06:10:58 AM
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He just sawzalled the cage off and went wheeling again the next day.

~daxe

([url]http://zukibot.home.comcast.net/squished.jpg[/url])
Actually he continued on that day, cleaning that one m/f'ing section in the middle of "that trail".
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Post by: HotRod on October 30, 2004, 08:15:50 AM
You would think after rolling, he wouldn't go wheeling till he got the cage rebuilt.
But. to make the cage actually work, you need to have cross bracing to keep it from folding in on you.
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Post by: hutch on October 30, 2004, 08:21:51 AM
that's the first thing I noticed. His cage held up pretty well considering he went over several times. But the heavy distortion to the passender side makes me glad he was riding solo. That was  serious roll and He faired well. I am glad to see that the roll didn't dampen his spirits. Some people give up the sport after the first roll.
Glad everyone is OK thanks for the vid.
Hutch
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Post by: TomKat on October 30, 2004, 09:25:00 AM
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that's the first thing I noticed. His cage held up pretty well considering he went over several times. But the heavy distortion to the passender side makes me glad he was riding solo.
he wasn't solo. He had a passenger. And that was a Petroworks sport cage he had. it was the next piece to be upgraded, but was hastened a bit, shall we say. ;D
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Post by: zooky on October 30, 2004, 09:53:46 AM
the passenger is 6'4". His head was in my lap (uh, not before the roll) which prevented it from getting squashed. As far as wheeling it with the cage like that, the trail was short and there were no other off camber spots and my passenger rode with someone else. I didnt wheel it after the cage was cut out. As far as I am concerned the cage did its job, it was a hard roll. I have a better cage now
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Post by: flexmonger on October 30, 2004, 11:05:55 AM
   Yes, a welded cage is waaay better than a bolt togethor design. I hope he learned his lesson about them.
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Post by: jagular7 on October 31, 2004, 04:57:42 AM
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the passenger is 6'4". His head was in my lap (uh, not before the roll) which prevented it from getting squashed. As far as wheeling it with the cage like that, the trail was short and there were no other off camber spots and my passenger rode with someone else. I didnt wheel it after the cage was cut out. As far as I am concerned the cage did its job, it was a hard roll. I have a better cage now


Glad things worked out on the survivability of that roll.
Have you reviewed the roll from your climbing up the wall, to your final frontal endo?
Was it possible that you could have placed the tranny in reverse, bump in gear, to get the weight off the initial roll?
Same for holding the brakes when you went over the front endo?
I'm just figuring out some my own limits with different vehicles and at times (one with the auto) I stall the climbing ability, then push more to go forward raising a tire and getting light up front, heavy in back. When I get off the gas, the front drops drastically and I do loose the traction point of the rear tires.

Just wondering if you analyzed the video for such things.
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Post by: Ronzuki on October 31, 2004, 11:25:38 PM
I'm glad everyone came away from that OK! from the looks of the cage, I wouldn't have guessed the passenger faired too well.

Didn't mean to upset anyone, it's just that if that were one of my buddies rolling like that, I'd have been on my way down hill before he came to rest.

Again, glad to hear everyone's OK, and back in the saddle again  ;)
Title: Re: OUCH! (roll vid)
Post by: TomKat on October 31, 2004, 11:47:25 PM
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Have you reviewed the roll from your climbing up the wall, to your final frontal endo?


Just wondering if you analyzed the video for such things.
 I understand what you mean, but even that video doesn't describe the difficulty of that one section. It is BRUTAL! seriously steep and off camber everywhere. Once that roll started, there was no stopping it, no matter what you try.
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Post by: Huppo on November 01, 2004, 12:07:28 AM
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that video doesn't describe the difficulty of that one section. It is BRUTAL! seriously steep and off camber everywhere. Once that roll started, there was no stopping it, no matter what you try.


I second this.  The video makes it look kinda flat but it's anything but flat.  The reason he kept on rolling was because it's down a hill.  There's also a second step just before the one he slid off.

Most of us have looked over that video to try and figure out what happened.  The general consensus was that there was just a tad too much throttle at the highest point, which unweighted the front tires enough to let the front start sliding to the right.  From there its just the shape of the rocks and the steepness of the hill kicking you around.

I have some still shots of trucks going up that rock face.  I'll see if I can find 'em.

~daxe
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Post by: Drone637 on November 01, 2004, 03:13:27 AM
I thought the problem was it spun around his right rear tire instead of it grabbing traction and popping over the rock.

Other then the cage and windshield supprisingly little damage.  Most end-over's like that end up with the hood smashed in.  Any shots of the new cage Zooky?
Title: Re: OUCH! (roll vid)
Post by: Scott on November 01, 2004, 06:45:34 AM
Hey Zooky, that is a good looking sami.  What are the specs?  Amount of lift, wheel/tire combo?  How about a pic with the new cage.

Scott
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Post by: TomKat on November 01, 2004, 07:29:31 AM
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Hey Zooky, that is a good looking sami.  What are the specs?  Amount of lift, wheel/tire combo?  How about a pic with the new cage.

Scott
here's a couple from a run earlier this year...(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/tomd26/OFRR4.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/tomd26/OFRR1.jpg)
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Post by: TomKat on November 01, 2004, 07:30:33 AM
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Hey Zooky, that is a good looking sami.  What are the specs?  Amount of lift, wheel/tire combo?  How about a pic with the new cage.

Scott
'Nother angle...(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/tomd26/OFRR2.jpg)
Title: Re: OUCH! (roll vid)
Post by: zooky on November 01, 2004, 08:32:54 AM
thanks for the compliments and posting the pics. Its a Rockrat cage, its pretty stout. I tied it into the frame this time and I am adding some rear bars and a few other reenforcements this winter. The specs are: Shaffer coil suspension with Land Cruiser axles locked with longfield birfs, 4.56 gears and 35" beadlocked MTR's; Sidekick 16v engine and automatic transmission, Kicker3 w/4.16 gears in the sami case and all the other normal add-ons. This winter I am also adding hydro-assist to my FJ60 P/S (been having steering issues all summer) and pushing the rear axle back 12". I would like to step up to 37's but the 35's are new and I would take too much of a loss on them. I have another mod in the that I am keeping a lid on for now.