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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: spyder0069 on January 18, 2008, 07:59:45 AM
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Just got them put on and the few test drives have been very positive. I picked these up from 4wheelparts.com and I would recommend them. Tires are TSL 31x10.50x15's and the rims are Rock Crawler Series 97 Part # PCW97-5885 which is 15x8. All rims came mounted and balanced shipped to my door on a RL Carrier truck with lift gate for $804.87. Only took 4 days to get to my house. Rims were $53 a piece, tires $132 a piece and shipping was $90. All in all I am very pleased. I did have to cut the back of the front fenders and pound back the inner fender and chop the front plastic on the bumper. The rears only needed the rear plastic on the mud guards cut off. I then used the 3" JC whitney flares and riveted them on. The flares come out far enough to cover the lugs. I can turn side to side without anything catching and I have about 1.5"-2" space between tires and sides of fender and probably about 6" of clearance above the tire. This is on 1.5" coil spacers in front and 2" in rear. 2" Body lift is on way but will wait till summer for that.
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NICE 8) Looks Good!!!
Zig
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I like
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Sounds like a pretty good deal, considering they're mounted and balanced and shipped to you.
They look good to.
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did you gear down for them?
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These tires grab like crazy too! We got a couple of inches of snow and I did my usual test of trying 2wd with a moderately fast takeoff in a nearby lot and of course it can still spin them but it grabs a lot sooner and stays locked in longer. Then tried 4wd and the sidekick just rocketed off. Much better than the 235 AT's. Also I notice that when spinning them on snow the sidekick stays more in a straight line now where the AT's would kick the rear out right away. I really can't notice much of a power difference even though I know these are much heavier. I did not change the stock gearing (this is the 5 speed version with 8v engne but don't know the exact gearing). No problems hitting 60mph with power to spare. Speedometer is about 3-4mph slow according to gps (reads 55 but you are gonig about 58-59). They are louder of course. Around town you don't notice it much but over 30mph they howl. BUT really not much worse than the wind noise from the top (and its new). Ride is slightly rougher but not bad and corners much better. These are the non-radial version and really the road manners are quite acceptable.
Is the factory center column/rollbar sufficient in a rollover on these? I saw some trails require either a hardtop or rollbar setup and didn't know if the sidekicks factory support counts as a rollbar. Anyone ever had problems with trail regulations like this?
(by the way those rims are 3.75" backspacing in case anyone is interested)
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I've never had a problem with rollbar requirements, but did put in an extra rollbar for my own safety.
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Very Nice man!
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Looks great, it's amazing how some aggressive rubber can totally change a trucks looks from mild to wild.
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Looks great!!!!
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Do you have any up close pics of the tires? Im thinking of getting the same size for my samurai! And wanted to see the tread!
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I would look into swamper ltb 31x11.50x15's I have these on my rig and they look good if you ask me
(http://www.reachone.com/bashams/Suzuki/830A0011.jpg)
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The LTB is not very good on the road is it? I herd bad things about on road driving. Thats why i was looking at the TSL.
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They are all pretty much the same. LTB is just a model of the TSL. All the TSL lines have pretty much the same tread pattern with there own specific flare. I don't think that any of them have very good road characteristics. But what are you looking for something that performs onroad or offroad? Or both? I wanted something for both and went with Mickey Thompson Baja Radial MTZ. They work decent offroad and onroad. I couldn't believe how quiet and smooth they are while driving. For the aggression that they are. My friend has the same size Wrangler MTR's and these are night and day difference with noise and smoothness. So much nicer. But if it is offroad performance you care about. Can't beat the TSL.
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Thats tires looks very nice.....keep going. ;)
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I have ran 35-14.50-16.5 TSL on my old truck and loved them on road, I also rn 33-14.00-15 cut boggers on my FJ40 landcruiser and did not mind them!! But i just figured that with a small rig like my sammy i should go with a TSL over the LTB..
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Makes me feel much better about running 30's with my little lift.I was begining to worry about anything bigger than 235's.
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Do you guys have any up close pics of the TSL or LTB
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Is the factory center column/rollbar sufficient in a rollover on these? I saw some trails require either a hardtop or rollbar setup and didn't know if the sidekicks factory support counts as a rollbar. Anyone ever had problems with trail regulations like this?
1994 and up have a much stouter roll bar. DOT forced Suzuki into improving this or they were going to not allow them to sell them states side any longer. 1995 the DOT acutally had a law passed requireing all open top 4wheel drives to have roll over support. When I got mine I had to choose between 93 and 94, both good deals. I went 94 because of this. Unfortunetly I don't think the hoopla between no real roll bar and the lame Consumer Reports issue on the Sammy helped Suzuki any. On the other hand I am glad I have the stronger bar, I do know a guy who rolled his 92 and his held up fine. His girlfriend however was pissed (change his 92 for theirs).
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I have to agree with armour on the baja's if you want a nice balance those are the way to go.
I got the ltb's because the only place my rig goes is offroad.
State Patrol told me last time I got pulled over on the freeway that it would be impounded next time they saw it with the tires and no inspection paper work saying it was street legal. ;)
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The lugs on the TSL are huge. I will have to get a close up. Really I love the road manners. I howl of the tires almost covers up the wind noise going down the road. :^) I felt really unsafe with mine when it was on the 235/75/15's all seasons. With the wind blowing and snow the vehicle swayed all over the place. Now with the TSL's it handles much better since they are wider and the stopping distance also was drastically improved in the snow. It corners better and now I am actually having fun driving it versus biting nails as I went down the road. The AT tires were almost new too so it was hard to believe what a difference it made to go to these. Now I scope stock jeeps to park next to just so I can admire my big tires and beefier looks. Ha ha. Plus I love it when the city plows in everyones drive way and I back out through 3 feet of snow like it wasn't there. Im getting addicted to the little truck. I almost used my snow blower to clean my driveway into a pile at the end so I had something more challenging to go through. I know. Im sick.
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Want to fix up an 96 lx . Did you lift the sidekick to get the tires on? The kick looks good 8)
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how close does the tire get to the inside from lock to lock with 3.5 backspace and those tires............looks really nice
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The sidekick only has the coil spring spacer lift right now which is 1.5" in front and 2" in rear. There is no clearance problem with steering side to side and had plenty of room. The big clearance problem is the driver and passenger floor/firewall. When turning the outside lugs would contact it at about 20 degrees of turn. Once you cut your fenders you just beat that back to be flush with the very inner part of the fenderwell and its fine. This was no problem for the 3lb hammer and passenger side but my driverside was a little brittle and I did poke a hole that I will eventually put a metal plate over. Thats what happens when you have a 92 vehicle that has endured Illinois salty winter roads. :^)
I do have a 2" body lift kit from RRO to put on this summer so that will make sure I have a little extra clearance for the trails. Also have a rear spool, header, and a winch to put on. The cheapest part so far was the vehicle. Sad sad....
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Any close ups of the tires yet?
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wow I want swampers
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Here are a couple of close up pics I took this morning. I used a spark plug to give an idea of tread depth. You can fit a spark plug in the middle of the tread too with it almost completely covered with rubber. I double checked and lock to lock there is no obstruction with the closest being the tire side lugs on rear part of the inner fender which has about 1 inch of clearance. Once compressed I am not sure if it will rub but if so I'll get the hammer back out. :^) I also took a standard plastic milk crate and the front clears it easily and rear diff just barely touches it (tires are at 27psi right now). I also included a side by side pic of the 235/75/R15 AT tire on stock rim next to these.
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here is the milk crate test. Crate is 11" high.
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Here is pic1 of 235's
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Pic2 of 235's
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Bashzuk. What size wheel and back spacing are you running with your LTB's Do you rub? Thinking of getting some and i dont want to rub!
Thanks
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I'm running these wheels Pro Comp Rock Crawler Steel Wheels. 2.5 inches of backspacing 15x8
I would recommend 15x7 though as they would be just a hair narrower
(http://www.4wheelparts.com/aux_incl/images.ashx?i=RockcrawlerSeries51Lugs5_6.jpg&partNo=PCW&w=200&h=200)
http://www.4wheelparts.com/PPT3363T100021.aspx
rock crawler rims with 2.5 inches of backspacing
These are a custom order item from 4wheelparts.
I got them from 4 wheel parts because they gave me a screaming deal.
http://www.wheelersoffroad.com/wheels.htm
also carries rims that are about the same.
They don't rub when turning at all. But they do rub in the front at full stuff. I plan on fixing this by installing wrangler springs in the front and moving my axle forward a little.
If anyone wants close ups let me know.
Bash
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Here are a couple of close up pics I took this morning. I used a spark plug to give an idea of tread depth. You can fit a spark plug in the middle of the tread too with it almost completely covered with rubber. I double checked and lock to lock there is no obstruction with the closest being the tire side lugs on rear part of the inner fender which has about 1 inch of clearance. Once compressed I am not sure if it will rub but if so I'll get the hammer back out. :^) I also took a standard plastic milk crate and the front clears it easily and rear diff just barely touches it (tires are at 27psi right now). I also included a side by side pic of the 235/75/R15 AT tire on stock rim next to these.
I have a set of 32" tsl's on my kick and I only run 10 psi in them on the street, I think at 27 you are going to wear the center of the tire out, due to over inflation. Looks good by the way!
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sweet ride bro, looking at that thing and also that green suzuki as well really makes me believe that suzuki's are sweet and with time and effort can really be the king of the 4x4 world