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Title: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Trackin_Tracker33 on March 02, 2008, 06:29:15 PM
I currently have the BDS 2'' suspension setup on my 96 tracker.  I am installing the 2'' body lift, OME struts, and 1.5''-2'' coil spacers. Am i heading in the right way with this setup? Is there anything I am missing to get or needs tweaking? or anything i need to be aware of breaking when i wheel?
Any advice is appreciated   Thanks
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: mrfuelish on March 02, 2008, 09:18:44 PM
Just the body lift to me, use some 2x2 square tubing and weld it to the frame and you sould be good to go, if you use plastic if you hit something the body could hit your dist. cap and ruin your day.
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: big_kountry21 on March 02, 2008, 09:45:03 PM
i went with the three inch calmini and soon i'll get jeff's 2 inch coil spacers
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Trackin_Tracker33 on March 03, 2008, 09:36:46 AM
The body lift i have is the RockyRoad 2'' so it should be ok   i hope. 
i went with the three inch calmini and soon i'll get jeff's 2 inch coil spacers
When doing your suspension lift + spacers souldnt you worry about the drive shaft angles and extra stress on the half shafts???  maybey im just thinking to much about it and just need to do it and shutup  :-X
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: big_kountry21 on March 03, 2008, 11:29:05 AM
i got spare drive shafts and cv axles.
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Drone637 on March 03, 2008, 06:51:59 PM
When doing your suspension lift + spacers souldnt you worry about the drive shaft angles and extra stress on the half shafts???  maybey im just thinking to much about it and just need to do it and shutup  :-X

With the IFS front end, you don't have to worry about the drive shaft angle.  And the rear is far enough back you should be ok.  Plus, you are only doing a 2" suspension lift.  That shouldn't be enough to cause any problems.  The body lift leaves the drive train where it sits, but you may need to lengthen/bend the transfer case shift arm. 
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Trackin_Tracker33 on March 03, 2008, 07:27:35 PM
Better to be safe and ask questions than to be sorry later on.   No need to make a mistake that someone else knows about to prevent it.   Exactly what this site for   Thanks
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Digger on March 03, 2008, 09:42:13 PM
But if you stack coil spacers on top of a suspension lift, like say adding 1.5" or 2" spacers on top of the BDS suspension lift, the front CV joints will not be long for this world without some form of a diff drop to help reduce the ridiculous angles caused by such an extreme suspension lift with the front diff in the stock location...
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Trackin_Tracker33 on March 04, 2008, 11:25:23 AM
But if you stack coil spacers on top of a suspension lift, like say adding 1.5" or 2" spacers on top of the BDS suspension lift, the front CV joints will not be long for this world without some form of a diff drop to help reduce the ridiculous angles caused by such an extreme suspension lift with the front diff in the stock location...

Oh...... I would not have clue  to do something like a diff drop.  So should i just forget the spacers? i was looking to do th 1.5 front  2 in the rear.
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: bzzr2 on March 04, 2008, 01:09:16 PM
look around, you'll find what you need to know about the diff drop!  somebody must have some brackets for sale!
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: j2custom on March 06, 2008, 08:10:52 AM
Check ebay for the front dif drop brackets. I have seen them for sale on there before.  That should take care of the CV angle and allow you to keep them alive.  The rest of you kit sounds good, don't forget longer shocks, flipping your strut towers and check your rear top link for binding.   8)
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Trackin_Tracker33 on March 07, 2008, 09:02:46 AM
Check ebay for the front dif drop brackets. I have seen them for sale on there before.  That should take care of the CV angle and allow you to keep them alive.  The rest of you kit sounds good, don't forget longer shocks, flipping your strut towers and check your rear top link for binding.   8)
Thanks alot im checking on ebay rite now.  but if i dont have any luck then ill just go with the 1.5'' coil spacers sooo  3.5'' suspension  shouldnt be to bad
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Element on March 07, 2008, 11:13:02 AM
let me know if you find any diff drops!!! I will bid against you!!! ;)
I should look into drops though...
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Trackin_Tracker33 on March 07, 2008, 02:29:45 PM
No dice on the diff. drops.......
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Element on March 07, 2008, 03:26:05 PM
zukination makes them, they are in their lift kit. I sent them an email to see if I can get them seperate... I will let you know!!!
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Trackin_Tracker33 on March 08, 2008, 06:39:09 PM
Awsom just pm me when you get the chance.   Thanks
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Trackin_Tracker33 on March 08, 2008, 06:48:29 PM
If I get the 1'' coil spacers front ant 1.5 inch rear   would this put my CVs in to much of a bind without a diff. drop??   Wouldnt it be like a 3'' suspension lift??  This IFS is all new to me.....
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Uncivilized on March 09, 2008, 02:34:57 PM
The front lifts 150% of the spacers actual size. So if you have a 1" spacer, the lift will be 1.5".
1" spacer = 1.5" lift
1.5" spacer = 2.25" lift
2" spacer = 3" lift
You can safely use up to a 1.5" spacer in the front without any major problems. Your joints should be okay, but if you have old CV shafts, you could get a torn boot after some time. Also, the lift is only limited to how much down travel you add to the strut. You should add the same as what you lift it, or more, but no more than 2" without lowering the front axle.
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: 95sidekick on March 09, 2008, 08:51:03 PM
i put 2" coil spacers in the front and rear of my 95 sidekick an have had no problems wit my cv joints binding or noise or anything?? and i have not done a diff drop ...guess im just lucky
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Trackin_Tracker33 on March 09, 2008, 09:24:04 PM
i put 2" coil spacers in the front and rear of my 95 sidekick an have had no problems wit my cv joints binding or noise or anything?? and i have not done a diff drop ...guess im just lucky

Keep in mind i already have a 2''BDS suspension lift on my truck.  I was asking if the 1''coil spacer on top of the BDS is going to be just fine.  OME struts are on the way ;D
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Element on March 10, 2008, 12:57:52 PM
Awsom just pm me when you get the chance.   Thanks

They have them for $175


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Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Digger on March 10, 2008, 01:06:31 PM
i put 2" coil spacers in the front and rear of my 95 sidekick an have had no problems wit my cv joints binding or noise or anything?? and i have not done a diff drop ...guess im just lucky

It doesn't happen immediately or even overnight, and you might get away with it for a while depending on how often you flex out the front end, but it WILL fail sooner or later. Keeping the size of the spacer up front at or below 1.5" dramatically improves reliability over a taller spacer. Plus 1.5" front spacers actually lift the front of the truck 2-1/4"...
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Trackin_Tracker33 on March 10, 2008, 04:00:32 PM
Thanks Element. The diff. drop will be my next coarse of action if the spacer does not work.  Id still like to know if the 1'' spacer on top of my 2''BDS susp. will be somewhat easy on the CV's or anything else.
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Element on March 10, 2008, 05:00:06 PM
If you want trail spares, I have plenty I am more than happy to ship ya some before I head to moab... They will be used but in good shape with good boots...pm if interested and I can give you a price something like $80 pr shipped...
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Trackin_Tracker33 on March 11, 2008, 11:40:15 AM
Sounds good ill keep you in mind.   Thanks
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: MaD.72 on March 11, 2008, 11:53:27 AM
Thanks Element. The diff. drop will be my next coarse of action if the spacer does not work.  Id still like to know if the 1'' spacer on top of my 2''BDS susp. will be somewhat easy on the CV's or anything else.

It will be hard on the CV...like they said, if you go more than two inch of lift, you will need too drop the front diff..
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: bzzr2 on March 12, 2008, 07:38:11 AM
the angle will be a little harder but if you don't change the strut or strut spacer you are using you will not have more down travel than you do right now, so the maximum angle you are getting with your cv's will remain the same on the trail.  what you will end up with is more clearance but less front flex, make up for this with longer shocks out back to regain the flex somewhere..
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Trackin_Tracker33 on March 12, 2008, 06:25:00 PM
........  sounds like I sould just get solid front     all that work to the IFS just doesnt seem to be worth it.   To much money    and no experience with this kinda stuff   I guess ill have to sleep on it, i just love the tracker to much to replace it with a {Mail truck Rubicon}  or something else.....
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Trackin_Tracker33 on March 12, 2008, 06:28:44 PM
2'' Rocky-Road Body
2''BDS suspension
OME struts
Cal roof rack
Gears
Locker
32'' shoes

Thats all i can think to do with the Tracker..if you guys got anything else let me know  Thanks alot for helping out this   Hopeless   Zuki Newb ;D
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Element on March 12, 2008, 09:24:34 PM
Steel front end, either an anvil from calmini or a later v6 5spd GV...

After running my lift, I have torn both my boots on my cv, I am getting a diff drop kit...
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Digger on March 12, 2008, 09:46:58 PM
Dropping the diff is actually not as hard as it sounds. The hardest part is just finding the drop brackets. The Calmini ones are not available separately. I think there are maybe some available from other vendors, maybe boondox, I'm not sure. But once you find the brackets, it's a pretty simple matter to change them in inplace of the stock ones. Basically support the diff with a couple jackstands, unbolt the brackets one at a time and replace them with the drop ones. That's it. You wont need any shaft spacers or custom work or anything.

I can tell you from my own experience with my Calmini pieces that the 2" suspension lift kit includes drop brackets that lower the front diff 1" and the 3" suspension lift kit lowers the front diff 2". That's another reason that I say don't go higher than 2" of suspension lift without lowering the diff to compensate.

Stock, the lowest part of the front diff rides almost an inch above the lowest edge of the crossmember it's bolted to. With the Calmini 2" suspension lift kit, the lowest part of the front diff rides about even with the lowest edge of the crossmember. With the Calmini 3" suspension lift kit, the lowest part of the front diff rides about 1" below the lowest edge of the crossmember. Since I have my skidplate bolted directly to the crossmember and extending forward all the way to the bumper, I didn't want to have to cut a hole in my skid for the diff to stick through and possibly take damage, so I stuck with just a 2" lift and 1" drop brackets.
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Rhinoman on March 13, 2008, 05:51:20 AM
There is a place in Taiwan that sells the diff drop brackets, I think the email and web addresses were posted here a while back. I haven't dealt with them but Dave Jones (K9RDJ) is a reseller for them - he's sold a lot so they should be an OK company to deal with.
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Trackin_Tracker33 on March 13, 2008, 05:07:31 PM
I can tell you from my own experience with my Calmini pieces that the 2" suspension lift kit includes drop brackets that lower the front diff 1" and the 3" suspension lift kit lowers the front diff 2". That's another reason that I say don't go higher than 2" of suspension lift without lowering the diff to compensate.

Stock, the lowest part of the front diff rides almost an inch above the lowest edge of the crossmember it's bolted to. With the Calmini 2" suspension lift kit, the lowest part of the front diff rides about even with the lowest edge of the crossmember. With the Calmini 3" suspension lift kit, the lowest part of the front diff rides about 1" below the lowest edge of the crossmember. Since I have my skidplate bolted directly to the crossmember and extending forward all the way to the bumper, I didn't want to have to cut a hole in my skid for the diff to stick through and possibly take damage, so I stuck with just a 2" lift and 1" drop brackets.

Wow    That answered all my questions.  I had no idea about the calmi having diff. drops but as soon as i find some i will be quick to buy them with no questions.   Thanks alot ZUKI PROFITS   
Title: Re: Suspension Questions????
Post by: Digger on March 14, 2008, 03:56:01 AM
Wow    That answered all my questions.  I had no idea about the calmi having diff. drops but as soon as i find some i will be quick to buy them with no questions.   Thanks alot ZUKI PROFITS   

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