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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: MaD.72 on March 12, 2008, 10:30:25 AM
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my project is too put strait axle on a sidekick using YJ leaf spring, does anyone have ever done that before?? i just need some feedback on how to do it....
thanks
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There's plently of them. :) I did mine. A few years ago.
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Do you have any picture of it?? will be nice to see some...
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my project is too put strait axle on a sidekick using YJ leaf spring, does anyone have ever done that before?? i
I'm glad you didn't waste your time doing a SEARCH as you would have quickly found out that your are the first person ever to try something like this. ::)
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I did a search, but it went nowhere ???
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Gotta love going backwards technology wise.....
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Ok Tim, lets cut the youngster some slack now.
If he could spell “straight�, then he might have stumbled onto the Topic: Heather's Finally Going Straight! (axle) http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=4052.0 (http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=4052.0) posting that is cleverly hidden in the Build Diaries, How-To, DIY forum.
It’s not yet known to mere mortals that we have our top scientist feverishly working on hiding this valuable information.
The secret to the deception is we fit all of it, I mean ALL of it, behind that tiny little button labeled “SEARCH�.
Rest assured that alien technology is somehow involved.
Besides, I saw it on TV once, so it must be true.
Be very carefully NOT to tell folks that there is a "Spell Check" button at the bottom of every Post reply window, like the one I'm using to reply to this post. Spelling words correctly makes it easier for others to find information. We don't want this.
We do want to see samuri, or smauira, or alel, or axel or all the other variations.
Ignorance is bliss
;)
Don.
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Don, have you used the search bar and searched "solid axle swap" or "straight axle swap"? I did when I was looking for the same info and didn't really find anything. I think what the guy is looking for is some pics, a parts list, and maybe some advice on how difficult it may or may not be. Instead he gets nothing but a rass of s|removethispart|@#$ from you. People like you make people like me stay on ZU and ZK and away from this forum. Next time why not try giving some helpful advice if you have done a SAS or not commenting at all!
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Just so everyone is aware...
As odd as you guys may find to go from coil to leaf, there is a company with a kit in the works....
http://www.boondoxmotorsports.com/zuk_axleswap.html
Scroll down to " In Development"
Jerry!!!
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IF you search under my screen name there are some pics of my rig. Its on yjs
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:police:I have noticed more and more "use the search" references lately and I remember that it wasn't always like this. Yes it can get old seeing the same questions over and over, and think about it, do you see this ever changing? No matter how many times a question is answered, it will still be asked again by someone else. Telling people to "use the search button" doesn't help them at that point in time, doesn't relate directly to the topic at hand and doesn't do anything but make the entire message board seem less friendly and less willing to help people out. Have you been to some other 4x4 boards? There are several that you need extremely thick skin to survive. I like to think that ZW is not like that, I like to think that we are friendly and helpful to all, even the newer members.
Rather than responding negatively and making the entire board appear uninviting, do what I do:
If you don't have direct knowledge of the question and/or are annoyed by a repeat question, just don't reply. Let someone that knows the answer reply and the entire board will look more inviting and friendly. Remember the old adage: if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything! :police:
MaD.72: I have seen 4 door kicks with leaf springs before, Heather's rig is a great example, but I haven't seen any 2 door ones, I don't think. I can't recall any at least. It's probably easier to set up a leaf spring style front end than a coil spring. I think one of the more difficult parts of it will be finding an appropriate solid front axle to start with. I wish I could be more help, but looking up Heather's 4 door project will give you a good idea of what's involved.
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Wow, I didn't know this was a Girl Scout meeting, since there's sooo many bunched up panties in the room. :P
Since I started the razz, I'll be the first to say, "Lighten up". Occasional ball busting, if done is good humor, is fun and healthy. Maybe, just maybe, in this case it poked the poster into refining his search skills (prolly not). Using the word "AND" between search parameters does wonders (and yeilds a thread on using Jeep axles rather than Toys to boot). Funny thing is, Don is the only guy who pointed the poster in the direction he was looking for, and HE got his azz handed to him (or at least the attempt was unsuccessfully made)
If this has become a board were we all mind our Pints and Quarts, then I'm going to take my toys and go home. :sleepy: Boring!
Now, are there quite a few Kickers with YJs? Yes. Are pics on this board and others? Yes. Should one exhaust all search attempts to find useful info first? Sure. Will we see a dozen more posts this year asking "How big of a tire can I fit on my stock [insert any Zook 4x4 here]?" ABSOLUTELY!
Frankly, filling up the BBS's with mundane repeated post is the FASTEST way to make a board useless, and I can tell you from experience, it'll chase very good "old timers" with a lot of great tech and history OFF a board. I belong a Zook board that is for those that want to share high-level tech and not be bothered by a flood of posts asking "what size tire?", "how do I change my oil filter?" or "Is RRO a good vendor?". To get on this board, you have to be invited and have something to contribute, and Google won't find find it so don't ask. Why is there such a board? This thread answers that question.
So everyone, take a step back, pull the underroos out of the crouch, and have fun. A little razzing isn't a bad thing. ;)
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Thank for the feedback....not, anyway i found all the info that i need in the Zuwharrie forum board..
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Jeebus chris....save the drama for your lama people.
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Wow, I didn't know this was a Girl Scout meeting, since there's sooo many bunched up panties in the room. :P
Since I started the razz, I'll be the first to say, "Lighten up". Occasional ball busting, if done is good humor, is fun and healthy. Maybe, just maybe, in this case it poked the poster into refining his search skills (prolly not). Using the word "AND" between search parameters does wonders (and yeilds a thread on using Jeep axles rather than Toys to boot). Funny thing is, Don is the only guy who pointed the poster in the direction he was looking for, and HE got his azz handed to him (or at least the attempt was unsuccessfully made)
If this has become a board were we all mind our Pints and Quarts, then I'm going to take my toys and go home. :sleepy: Boring!
Now, are there quite a few Kickers with YJs? Yes. Are pics on this board and others? Yes. Should one exhaust all search attempts to find useful info first? Sure. Will we see a dozen more posts this year asking "How big of a tire can I fit on my stock [insert any Zook 4x4 here]?" ABSOLUTELY!
Frankly, filling up the BBS's with mundane repeated post is the FASTEST way to make a board useless, and I can tell you from experience, it'll chase very good "old timers" with a lot of great tech and history OFF a board. I belong a Zook board that is for those that want to share high-level tech and not be bothered by a flood of posts asking "what size tire?", "how do I change my oil filter?" or "Is RRO a good vendor?". To get on this board, you have to be invited and have something to contribute, and Google won't find find it so don't ask. Why is there such a board? This thread answers that question.
So everyone, take a step back, pull the underroo's out of the crouch, and have fun. A little razzing isn't a bad thing. ;)
Well dang Tim, sorry to see ya leave.
yes, We do mind our Ps & Qs here..
That's why it's such a good place to be..
everything positive, NOTHING negative..
And everything else goes in the WaterCooler. Best place Ever.
(no other site I go to has one and is run by an over-Zellis OverLords)
Razzing ain't bad if you come back with a proper answer.
And Digger hit the nail on the head..
That's probably why I'm so quite at work
;) ;D
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I kept putting off chiming in..
I am a fan of helping the person out if I have the info then recommending the search feature, it is my belief that they will be grateful for the info and the fact that they just learned about a nice feature that this website has, including leaving with a good impression of the site and community...
There are at least a dozen Utah websites and this is the only one I enjoy using.
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Well dang Tim, sorry to see ya leave.
yes, We do mind our Ps & Qs here..
Well, there are still those that are irreverant here. And as long as there's fellow chop busters, I'll chime in when I feel like I want to.
That's why it's such a good place to be..
everything positive, NOTHING negative..
"I LIKE PUPPIES!" :laugh: That's too warm and fuzzy for me.
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Thank's for the information guy's it was very helpful...and to the other that told me to do a search or check my spelling...don't forget, one day you will be stuck :laugh:
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Well dang Tim, sorry to see ya leave.
yes, We do mind our Ps & Qs here..
Well, there are still those that are irreverant here. And as long as there's fellow chop busters, I'll chime in when I feel like I want to.
That's why it's such a good place to be..
everything positive, NOTHING negative..
"I LIKE PUPPIES!" :laugh: That's too warm and fuzzy for me.
Come on now, you Can't take some razzing yourself? :laugh:
I like Puppies but the G/F love Kittahs..
So I'm stuck with those.
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I don't know you Yankee-Tim and Donald_R and I don't want to. If it was my board you would be gone, because I would hit the remove button.....Gawd I hate being negative...sorry Big E
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AND RUDE IS JUST PLAIN RUDE AND THERE IS NO WAY TO JUSTIFY IT.
As for Donald_R... a true man of words, would never be condecsending....he would relish the chance to teach. Belittling the student, has nothing to do with teaching....food for thought ;)
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I agree! A razzing is one thing but being ignorant is another. I love giving a good razzing and can get caught up in a heated battle every now and then. But the response the Donald gave was just plain ingorant. I now that there are alot of re asked questions and other things. And it may get annoying. But responses like that maybe he should bit his tongue! If that was a new member to the board, or someone just getting into the sport, I think that he or she would be a bit discouraged and wouldn't want to be part of it. Correct me if I am wrong but aren't boards like this here to encourage the sport and share info! Lighten up!
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Oh dear, I am at a Girl Scout meeting! :laugh:
Can we pass on the moral lessons (as they won't have any effect on me) and actually post tech since the search button seems to be out-of-order?
Yes, MaD.72, there is a Santa Claus and, yes, many have used YJs to go SAS on Kickers. First, I assume you are gong to use Toys. If this is the case, then you've got several things to consider. One, what tranny will you be running? Why, you ask? It affects tire size. The 3spd auto runs 4.62 R&Ps, and gives you wiggle room to run 5.something Toy R&Ps to regear. Manuals and 4spd autos run 5.12s, which means its the 5.71 toy gears only, and that won't allow a large tire. Now, some 16v 2drs with Cali emission ran 4.30s, and you gain more wiggle room with them, but those ain't common at all.
Next, are you going to run S/F or S/R? Many go with S/F and a M/L-type shackle for ease of install. Extreme crawlers won't run a S/F set-up for a couple main reasons. S/R allows the axle to trail rearward upon compression, which makes going over things a little easier. But the main advantage to S/R is protecting the spring itself from damage. With S/F, eventually you'll punch a rock with the shackle, and it will move backward, with the net result of a bent spring. Not great, as springs shouldn't be viewed as a consumable item. S/R prevents this.
Back to gearing. What if your rig spins 5.12s in stock form? Well, you got an option. A "Kicker3"-type set up will put a Sammy t-case in the mix, and will reduce the high-range by up to 20%, depending on what gear set you put in it. The problem with that is the offset output from the Sammy t-case. Some run it fubar with a driveshaft at an angle that no matter what you do, you'll have vibes on the road. If this is a hitch-bitch, then no worry. If not, you can remedy this with an offset Toy axle, like what Sky sells. These are 3" wider than a stock Toy axle, and will require either 1.5" spacers each side of the front axle, or the IFS outers swap (best idea). Wider is better.
If you want to be able to steer PRECISELY on the rocks, you'll need a well-designed panhard bar. This should be the same LENGTH and ANGLE as your drag link, or it will be more of a hindrance than a help.
As with the need for a S/R up front, unless you want your rear springs to be consumable items, you'll need a well-designed traction bar (anti-wrap bar). If you run a straight shackle, then the bar needs only two rigid mounting points, one at the axle and one up near the t-case output (like spidertrax used to sell). If you run a M/L type shackle, you'll need one that has 2 mounting points on the axle and a shackle mount up near the t-case. Since the M/L will open and make 2 distinct arcs, a 2-pt solid bar will cause binding and prevent the M/L from opening completely.
RatAdapters will allow you to bolt up the Toy driveshafts. Long-spline driveshaft parts will be in order if you run a S/R up front, or an offset axle in the rear.
Now, your tag line is, "It's not what you buy, it's what you built!!!" and your Sammy seems well built (1987 Sammi, 4.3l V6 eng, 700R4 Tranny, NP205 T-case, Toyota axle, and more...). I guess you built it yourself (or your tag line is WAY wrong), so you should be more than capable of taking the advice you got in this thread, along with the info from your searches ::) and start fabbing.
And to the rest of the skirts on this thread, take your own advice and actually post up some tech rather than just posting Rodney King-ish "Let's all get along" bull pucky. What hypocrites. :P
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Thanks Tim...it's realy appreciate..
Next, are you going to run S/F or S/R? Many go with S/F and a M/L-type shackle for ease of install.
What is S/F and S/R??
BTW i'm puting all the stuff from the sammi (engine tranny etc) in the sidekick..
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Thanks Tim...it's realy appreciate..
Next, are you going to run S/F or S/R? Many go with S/F and a M/L-type shackle for ease of install.
What is S/F and S/R??
BTW i'm puting all the stuff from the sammi (engine tranny etc) in the sidekick..
Shackle Forward and Shackle rear/Reversal.
With arched springs the spring effectively gets longer when it compresses. With a forward shackle the shackle (and axle assembly) will move forward, against the travel of the vehicle. If you come up against a big rock and the shackle can't move forward then a bent/broken spring is quite likely. With the shackle at the rear the shackle (and the complete axle) moves backwards as the spring compresses, this makes it easier for the suspension to compress.
The stock Zuk has fairly flat springs, these get shorter when they are compressed so Suzuki put the shackle at the front.
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Thanks!!
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Thanks Tim...it's realy appreciate..
No problem. I figured someone had to post some useful tech, as there was nothing but pee-pee touching posts going on. ;)
Next, are you going to run S/F or S/R? Many go with S/F and a M/L-type shackle for ease of install.
What is S/F and S/R??
As mentioned above by rhinoman. FWIW, regardless of the spring being flat or arched, if you punch a rock with the shackle, a bent spring will result. Yankee Bob and I have several flat rear springs from RUF set ups that were trashed this way. I'm beginning a SAS on my wifey's GV and its getting YJs, with a S/R just for this reason (she drives by Braille).
BTW i'm puting all the stuff from the sammi (engine tranny etc) in the sidekick..
Should be interesting. Makes my whole rant about R&P ratios meaningless, as you'll have enuff HP to overcome any ratio. ;D
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Should be interesting. Makes my whole rant about R&P ratios meaningless, as you'll have enuff HP to overcome any ratio. ;D
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Trust me that info is going to my file :P
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Trust me that info is going to my file :P
As long as your file isn't circular! ;)
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OK I guess I just don't get it. To each his own but why do you guys like the leaf springs? Just the ease of set up? ???
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OK I guess I just don't get it. To each his own but why do you guys like the leaf springs? Just the ease of set up? ???
Cheaper...for me, anyway!!
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OK I guess I just don't get it. To each his own but why do you guys like the leaf springs? Just the ease of set up? ???
Cheaper...for me, anyway!!
Plus with leaf springs, if your not happy with your leaf pack you can always add or take leafs out. In a way sort of fine tuning them.
And there everywhere!!
Amilla
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Would it be possible to see a picture of how you mount springs on the front of the frame. I have searched the web, not one good picture on how a professional would mount the front spring pearch.
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Just so you're aware - many, many threads that originally had pictures when they were first posted, have lost those pictures - server crashes, photo brucket changes, etc.
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Great t
Just so you're aware - many, many threads that originally had pictures when they were first posted, have lost those pictures - server crashes, photo brucket changes, etc.
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]Great to see you tracked me down from my other post, if you can't show me a picture of a current sas mod that is safe and not a hack job, not interested. If you can't tell me who makes kit that might fit a Toyota solid axle with leaf springs, not interested. There is a lot of not helpful info that just makes these searches just frustrating.
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https://www2.zukiworld.com/project-plus-one-building-a-4-door-sidekick-with-family-in-mind/
That link is an article here on the site that was a build involving a SAS and leaf springs on the front of a Sidekick. May not be as in depth as you are looking for, but it is a start!
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Thank you, love the build but I'm trying to get a good picture of how they mount the front hangers, almost every picture on the web doesn't show it and what ever gets posted is just unsafe. All I really need to see is how they mount the hanger to the frame. That's all.
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https://www.summitracing.com/parts/tgi-110010-1-kit?seid=srese1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwiYL3BRDVARIsAF9E4GeJfhkOiagWQUa_Fbgn9sLwxUqOOBzTFOpK7sfLKK4Y_wPyZqtt1dkaAs3MEALw_wcB (https://www.summitracing.com/parts/tgi-110010-1-kit?seid=srese1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwiYL3BRDVARIsAF9E4GeJfhkOiagWQUa_Fbgn9sLwxUqOOBzTFOpK7sfLKK4Y_wPyZqtt1dkaAs3MEALw_wcB)
Have you looked at something like this? Seems like a popular and easy way to perform the SAS. What you would do is just weld that cross member to the bottom of the frame rails on your 'Kick.
Is that more in line with what you are hunting?