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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: extremekickin on October 05, 2004, 12:34:11 PM
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Hey all. I'm installing a sammy t-case and was wondering if this will let me run 32 x 9.5's without puting 5.83's in the diffs. Thanx for all the help in advance. ::)
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.... and then some. 5.125 to 5.83 is around a 14% jump while the Sammi case will give a 40% jump in high range and even more with crawler gears
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can I see somewhere any photos of how a sammy t-case can be installed in a Sidekick ?
I wanted to do that but I couldnt find a detailed description with photos.So I finally got the 5,83's.But I m still interested in the sammy t-case mode.
I dont even know what parts are needed to complete the mod.
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can I see somewhere any photos of how a sammy t-case can be installed in a Sidekick ?
I wanted to do that but I couldnt find a detailed description with photos.So I finally got the 5,83's.But I m still interested in the sammy t-case mode.
I dont even know what parts are needed to complete the mod.
Check out this link: http://www.cs.umass.edu/~glenn/personal.html
~daxe
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o.k ,I ll check it .Thanks :)
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Have a look at Dave Jone's site too. He made the mistake of fitting crawler gears to the Sammi case and ended up going to 35s just to get the gearing back high enough for road use.
http://www.k9rdj.co.uk
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Have a look at Dave Jone's site too. He made the mistake of fitting crawler gears to the Sammi case and ended up going to 35s just to get the gearing back high enough for road use.
[url]http://www.k9rdj.co.uk[/url]
Hee....yeah..I know.. :)
The truck looks good though.Very good.
I ve seen his photos too.But when I discussed it with Dave,the conclusion was that its a completely custom mod.There are no  parts to buy.You just have to fabricate them ,at least most of them.I just thought, if ,in the meantime something like an installation kit came up.Cause its not an easy mod.And the problem is not only fabricating the parts.Proper installation and adjustment is also significant.
I also know about OTT ,but I m not in US ...Its impossible to send the kick's transmission box there.
I m not sure but I think Spidertrax Thorax can also do the job.
If someone knows an other way to do it ,or knows about a specific part that helps to do the mod,I ll be happy to hear.
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if you put a sammi case in your kick your lookin at putting 33's to 35's just to keep your speedo stock, that's if your kick is a 5spd with 5.13's
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if you put a sammi case in your kick your lookin at putting 33's to 35's just to keep your speedo stock, that's if your kick is a 5spd with 5.13's
Its a 5-speed with 5,83:1.But I think the 33",35" will be needed if the are rockcrawler gears in the sammy t-case.
What will happen if I do the double t-case mod with the 5,83:1 ? I now run 31".
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Start cutting for some BIG rubber as you're going to need it or get used to driving at the redline slowly.  :o It'll be quick of the line ;D
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:) , so you say its better to go for just the t-case reduction kit 4,24:1,right ?
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31's + 5.83's + 4.24:1 = 8) & it would still be cool if you wanted to go a little bigger with the rubber plus there is no custom fabbing involved.
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what about http://www.ottindustries.com/ the klicker would hook you up its not cheep but its the best way to do it
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:)  ,  so you say its better to go for just the t-case reduction kit 4,24:1,right ?
I have 5.83's, 4:1 T-case and 33's. My Kick with over 200,000 miles on the motor will still run 70-75 mph down the interstate (can go faster but a little scary :o) and I usually run 3-4 gear between difficult obsticles on the trail in low range. Unless I'm in a plie of BIG rocks I usually dont even use 1st gear low range. Unless I'm messing with whom ever is riding behind me making the ride the breaks ;D.
Zig
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31's with 5,83:1 is o.k.But I can feel the difference from the 30s I was running cause the 31's I have now (retreads) weight as 32's non retreads.With the 4,24:1 there will also be no problem(low range) even with 32's -33's .High range is what puzzles me.Cause even with 5,83:1,I believe 33s is the limit.I was thinking of a gearing (high range) where I would have 33's and the feeling would be like running 215/70/15 (stock tyres)
(As it was somehow when I was running 30's with 5,83s)
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GRVIT, do you have the Jimny or the coily Sammi in your area? The high range on their t-case is around 1.3:1 not 1.4:1 like the other Sammi's. Also, I think you'll find that dimensionally the t-case is a little shorter as well making the driveline angles a bit better if you use it for a dual t-case setup. As well if you do this you won't need the 4.24:1 gears plus it will be great for 33's. The Coily/Jimny owners get rid of their t-cases because the can't fit the crawler gears into them ( they need the older style case ) so you might be able to pick it up cheap.
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cj thanks.We have coily Jimny s here.I ve never thought about using a Jimny t-case.Maybe because all mods are for the Sammy t-case,but as you say,rockcrawler gears wont be needed.Good.The problem is fabricating the parts to connect it.And another problem is that I cant understand how the connections are done.I ve seen photos but the only show either the sammy t-case only or the Kick's case.I think a simple drawing would help me more,at least just to get the main meaning.
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lookin to add a divorced sammi t-case to behind my stock tracker unit.
I saw that someone said something about the hi range reduction being like 40%? How is this?
Are the sammi units hi range reduced from the get go?
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Gonzalo has a CAD file that could be useful if you email him. http://www.twistedandes.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album32
Also have a look here.
http://www.xfaktor.net/
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lookin to add a divorced sammi t-case to behind my stock tracker unit.
I saw that someone said something about the hi range reduction being like 40%? How is this?
Are the sammi units hi range reduced from the get go?
Yes they are. You might be better off using the OT Industries kicker3 setup, it's a little shorter in length than using any kind of divorced setup.
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Yes they are. You might be better off using the OT Industries kicker3 setup, it's a little shorter in length than using any kind of divorced setup.
This is true but $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for the kicker3!!
I got good friends with good tools. ;D
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It sounds like your trying to get better HI end speed.
I run the 5.83's also with 32x11.5 tires. My speedo is dead on. So that means the engine and trans are running in the same range as a stocker.
It takes a lot of power to turn these tires. It's not going to help to reduce the gearing any lower. You might as well run it now in 3rd or 4th gear only. There's only so much power.
I also have the 4.24 gear set. Its great for crawling through stuff.
The duel case idea is a good one, but what reason are you doing it for? The great combinations you can get out of them or for the HI reductions?
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The duel case idea is a good one, but what reason are you doing it for?  The great combinations you can get out of them or for the HI reductions?
The Hi reduction, and the better low range also and the fact the stupid low combos I could go later on down the road when I have $$!. I think overall with the connections I have, it will be cheaper then a new gearset for the Tracker T-case
I found some 33x10.50 boggers that have caught my eye!
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The Hi reduction, and the better low range also and the fact the stupid low combos I could go later on down the road when I have $$!. I think overall with the connections I have, it will be cheaper then a new gearset for the Tracker T-case
I thought about dual cases for the same reasons you are suggesting. However, after thinking about it further and doing some math, I decided to go with one sammy case with 6.5-1 gear set inside. My axles will have 5.38s so this will be plenty low enough for some bigger rock slicks. On my 35" boggers with the 5.125 ring and pinions and Calmini's 4.2-1 sidekick case I only needed to be lower geared (off road) in very rare cases. And with the auto crawling was incredible. I hopefully might be able to use overdrive again on the streets with the new set up. I just don't see a need for running two cases when the samurai case can give you everything you need by itself. Just my two cents.
Brian
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I've thought about going to duel cases some day.
Like I said I have the 4.24:1 gear set.  Which is great for crawling over obsticals.
But, when I'm just driving down the trail I wish I had my stock low range for the easy stuff.  Now I have to stop, shift to low, get over the obstical, stop, shift to hi, them get going....
Also, I like to run in sand.  The 4.24:1 is too low for sand.  When I have the stock low gearing it was perfect.  Right know I'm able to do just about anything at the dunes in 2wd with the rear end locked.  There's one hill that the only way I can get over is in low, 4th gear, and over 5,000 rpms.
And finally there have been times I wished I had just a little lower reduction.
So I'd like to have a stock geared tracker case bolted to a sami with a 4:1 gear set.
Then I'd have a combo of:  2wd |removethispart|@ 2:1, 4wd |removethispart|@ 2:1, 4:1, and 8:1.
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 I thought about dual cases for the same reasons you are suggesting.  However, after thinking about it further and doing some math, I decided to go with one sammy case with 6.5-1 gear set inside.  My axles will have 5.38s so this will be plenty low enough for some bigger rock slicks.  On my 35" boggers with the 5.125 ring and pinions and Calmini's 4.2-1 sidekick case I only needed to be lower geared (off road) in very rare cases.  And with the auto crawling was incredible.  I hopefully might be able to use overdrive again on the streets with the new set up.  I just don't see a need for running two cases when the samurai case can give you everything you need by itself.  Just my two cents.
Brian
OK well if you want to have a vehicle that performs like a stocker with 5.125's and 27" tires if you go to 5.38s you could run 28's and if you then add the Sammi case you could then look at 40's and if you then add a 6.50 you could run 48's not allowing for losses due to increased rotational mass and that I would love to see  :o and if you were happy just to keep the performance you have now you could run 62" tires so yeah your overdrive just might get used again if you run anything smaller than this  ;D
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OK well if you want to have a vehicle that performs like a stocker with 5.125's and 27" tires if you go to 5.38s you could run 28's and if you then add the Sammi case you could then look at 40's and if you then add a 6.50 you could run 48's not allowing for losses due to increased rotational mass and that I would love to see  :o and if you were happy just to keep the performance you have now you could run 62" tires so yeah your overdrive just might get used again if you run anything smaller than this  ;D
lol ;D
stu
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OK well if you want to have a vehicle that performs like a stocker with 5.125's and 27" tires if you go to 5.38s you could run 28's and if you then add the Sammi case you could then look at 40's and if you then add a 6.50 you could run 48's not allowing for losses due to increased rotational mass and that I would love to see  :o and if you were happy just to keep the performance you have now you could run 62" tires so yeah your overdrive just might get used again if you run anything smaller than this  ;D
I don't know about you, but I like to go as slow as I can off road... I can always upshift. Once I'm running 37" or taller tires I'll need all that gearing. I guess we have a difference of opinion.
Brian
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8)I realize this is slightly off the subject but I am continually amazed by what people do to their rigs. What I would really like to say is "THANK YOU" to all who posted pics/info regarding this topic. Peace ::)