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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: cj on October 06, 2004, 06:02:19 PM
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"Speaking of the Grand Vitara, its replacement will eschew today’s separate chassis construction for a monocoque platform that Suzuki says will be unique among the SUV throng."  ??? >:(
Wonder what Suzuki means by unique?
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/8CD8774450D097D6CA256F2500093705
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:'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Another era gone
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Kind of makes it hard to do a bodylift. Just wonder what else Suzuki will do and whether the GV will be even less suitable for offroad work. :'( :'( :'(
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I saw it coming from a mile away, but you'd think that with the popularity of the Sammy and the rising popularity of the Tracker that Suzuki would do something to actually continue the line of True, BOF, manual 4x4, micro4x4's. :-/
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In todays world everyone seems to want the biggest vehicle they can get. Like they have something to prove to somebody. Manufacturers have to go with what sells.... :-/ And unfourtunately that means we dont' get any new kicks or sammis.
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Here is a possible spy shot of it.
http://allcarscentral.philip-price.net/index.php?showtopic=131
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The front of it looks like the Aztek, while the rest looks like a fucking minivan. Boo, suzuki. Boo. :(
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I want to get the newest old style tracker or kick i can with decent miles. I just want no rust. Rust is not my friend.
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I want to get the newest old style tracker or kick i can with decent miles. I just want no rust. Rust is not my friend.
Rust: Nature's weight-reduction kit ;)
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Posted by: explosivo Posted on: Today at 06:10:22
I saw it coming from a mile away, but you'd think that with the popularity of the Sammy and the rising popularity of the Tracker that Suzuki would do something to actually continue the line of True, BOF, manual 4x4, micro4x4's.
Posted by: Speedracer7c Posted on: Today at 19:13:10
In todays world everyone seems to want the biggest vehicle they can get. Like they have something to prove to somebody. Manufacturers have to go with what sells.... And unfourtunately that means we dont' get any new kicks or sammis.
Gas prices are still retardedly steep, so I don't see why they don't push smaller vehicles into the market. Ah, yes, now I remember... its all about money! <- ->
40, 000 for a new vehicle. I would have to be stupid to buy the kind of crap they're manufacturing now.
steveo
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the easiest way to answer if this is in fact new vitara or not, is that is Yutaka Suzuki head of the Automobile divison in the passenger seat.
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the easiest way to answer if this is in fact new vitara or not, is that is Yutaka Suzuki head of the Automobile divison in the passenger seat.
You really need to kick someone in the nuts over this shit >:(
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Gas prices are still retardedly steep, so I don't see why they don't push smaller vehicles into the market. Ah, yes, now I remember... its all about money! <- ->
40, 000 for a new vehicle. I would have to be stupid to buy the kind of crap they're manufacturing now.
steveo
Again, it really is all about what people will buy, and the general public (soccer moms and yuppie shitheads) will buy $40k POS's. It's quite sad really. :(
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Here is a possible spy shot of it.
[url]http://allcarscentral.philip-price.net/index.php?showtopic=131[/url]
Cool, I like the pre-wrinkled sheet metal :P ;D
Zig
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I dont think that its the new Grand Vitara.If it is.......bad news.Cause if you look carefully ,in the last photo,the rear suspension is IFS.Which means that the car in the photo is a 100% SUV.Maybe its a new SUV model,targeting the SUV market.It looks as if its a new model Suzuki Ignis but Wagon type.
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Gm needs to stop trying to influence suzuki and build there own cars.
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It looks a lot like a RAV4...
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To me it looks a lot like a new Sportage. I think Kia is bringing those back, so now they can have the Sportage and the Sorrento.
Heather
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And another thing...  I don't see any problem with bringing out a uni-body, what so ever.  Like I've said before, Suzuki is trying to broaden it's market share so that they can please that segment of consumers who are looking for value in a quality made car, truck or now evidently, a uni body SUV.
This still doesn't mean that there won't be another full BOF 4x4.
And maybe we here in North America might still get lucky and FINALLY get the Jimny...
It is also well documented that the USA is the only country in the world with an ever increasing appetite for larger vehicles while the rest of the world is the exact opposite.  So Suzuki has no choice as a company but to try and appeal to that market in order to stay afloat.  I know it sucks for the rest of us...who love our Suzuki 4x4s... but I still wouldn't rule a new one out...the only thing that scares me is that if there is a new one, it might not come out in North America...
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To me it looks a lot like a new Sportage. I think Kia is bringing those back, so now they can have the Sportage and the Sorrento.
Heather
I'd be surprised to see that. The Sorento replaced the smaller Sportage to get into the small-mid size SUV market.
To add, I just saw a commercial where a Sorento was trailriding down a trail and jumped!!! Now Kia is driving their SUVs on commercials like Toyota does.
For me, I would like to see a HD capable 4wd vehicle (conv't/hardtop) in the 2500# range, carrying 4 people, full floating axles, coiled suspension, axle travel of ~5" (tire 8-10"), ~60" wide, diesel option (turbo) along with gas, skid plates, etc. Bring the Jimny to North America and see how abundant the Suzuki sales will rise.
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To me it looks a lot like a new Sportage. I think Kia is bringing those back, so now they can have the Sportage and the Sorrento.
Heather
Good call, didn't the Sportage stop production with the release of the Sorrento?
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Good call, didn't the Sportage stop production with the release of the Sorrento?
Ok never mind, that question...
It bothers me to no end that if the Jimny was released in North America WITH a clever ad campaign, it would no doubt be Suzukis best selling vehicle ever....
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And maybe we here in North America might still get lucky and FINALLY get the Jimny...
Are you sure about this ????
Its a good 4x4.Here 1 in 7 cars is a Jimny. :)
But .....its too narrow and small.I mean ,before getting the Sidekick,me and a friend of mine went to a Suzuki Dealer in order to help me choose.I wanted a Sammy but it seemed  small for me.So ,I thought I should also check the Jimny even if it was small too (Solid axles all around... and new model :)) .
I drove it for a while and after I parked it and got out I asked my friend how did I  look .....
His answer was .."man...you look as if you were driving a one seated car....,you have to get a bigger one...." ;D  Considering that I m  6' 3" tall and 110 KG weight (243 pounds),what do think ......
I ve seen some lifted Jimny s' here ,but I wouldnt get in there..... too tall and too narrow.... :o
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Are you sure about this ????
Its a good 4x4.Here 1 in 7 cars is a Jimny. :)
But .....its too narrow and small.I mean ,before getting the Sidekick,me and a friend of mine went to a Suzuki Dealer in order to help me choose.I wanted a Sammy but it seemed  small for me.So ,I thought I should also check the Jimny even if it was small too (Solid axles all around... and new model :)) .
I drove it for a while and after I parked it and got out I asked my friend how did I  look .....
His answer was .."man...you look as if you were driving a one seated car....,you have to get a bigger one...." ;D  Considering that I m  6' 3" tall and 110 KG weight (243 pounds),what do think ......
I ve seen some lifted Jimny s' here ,but I wouldnt get in there..... too tall and too narrow.... :o
Being that, you'd purchase a vehicle based on how you look inside it? LOL.
Seriously, I'm the same way with my XL7, I'm 5'8", ~180#'s. My shoulder is the door pillar. The front doors could be a little overall longer.
As for a small vehicle, that is the way the market shall be going real soon. Gas prices as well as insurance dictate much of that as well as vehicle price due to cost. For me a vehicle where I'm rubbing shoulders with my passenger is a bit small. The -7's width is just fine.
I think the LJ series vehicle could come back in a retro design. That would be cool.
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I'd be surprised to see that. The Sorento replaced the smaller Sportage to get into the small-mid size SUV market.
To add, I just saw a commercial where a Sorento was trailriding down a trail and jumped!!! Now Kia is driving their SUVs on commercials like Toyota does.
For me, I would like to see a HD capable 4wd vehicle (conv't/hardtop) in the 2500# range, carrying 4 people, full floating axles, coiled suspension, axle travel of ~5" (tire 8-10"), ~60" wide, diesel option (turbo) along with gas, skid plates, etc. Bring the Jimny to North America and see how abundant the Suzuki sales will rise.
Here's your surprise.
http://trucks.about.com/od/2005suvspecifications/a/sportage_intro.htm
http://sportage.kia.com/
(http://trucks.about.com/library/graphics/05_kia_sportage_ft_intro.jpg)
(http://trucks.about.com/library/graphics/05_sportage2_ftside.jpg)
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Sure looks like the spy pics...
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This still doesn't mean that there won't be another full BOF 4x4.
You may be right. It says the new rig won't replace the ladder frame models.
Agreed about GM sticking to their own projects. Going to GM for auto advice is like asking Custer about making friends. <g>
That "People Mover" of theirs is one odd looking van.
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I think that for a while, anyways, Suzuki will keep around a BOF vehicle.
Sure, they'll bring out the Unibodys to compete with the american "crossover craze" (YUK).
But I think they'll still keep something around. They know that a big portion of their BOF vehicle sales are people like us.
Heather
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Irregardless of what KIA brings back, you could not pay me enough to drive one.
Except off a cliff.
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Irregardless of what KIA brings back, you could not pay me enough to drive one. ÂÂ
Except off a cliff.
LOL!! You got that right...I have heard nothing but lousy things about KIAs...
Maybe they have gotten better in the last few years...but I'm SUZUKI guy. ;D(http://www.zukiworld.com/public_html/YaBBImages/thumbup.gif)
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Hyundai is also coming out with a new SUV smaller and cheaper than the SanteFe.
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 Front Wheel Drive
 Air Conditioning & Privacy Glass
 Dual Front & Seat-mounted Side-impact Air Bags
 Dual Roof-mounted Side Curtain Air Bags ÂÂ
 4-Wheel Disc Brakes with Anti-Lock Braking System, Traction
 Control System & Electronic Stability Program
 16" Aluminum Alloy Wheels
 AM/FM/CD Audio System with 6 Speakers
 Power Windows, Door Locks & Heated Mirrors
 Remote Keyless Entry System with Alarm
 Cruise Control
 Roof Rack Side Rails
 Rear Intermittent Wiper w/Washer
 Adjustable Height Center Arm Rest with Storage
 Rear Cargo Tray and Cargo Cover
 Combination Utility Floor Mats
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 2.7-Liter, 24-Valve DOHC V6 Engine
 4-Speed Automatic Transmission with SHIFTRONIC™
 AM/FM/CD/Cassette/MP3 Audio System with 6 Speakers ÂÂ
 Leather-wrapped Steering Wheel and Shift Knob
 Metal Grain Interior Trim
 Dark Gray Bodyside Cladding, Body Color Door Handles and Mirrors
 Fog Lights
 Windshield Wiper De-icer
 Cargo Net
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 AM/FM/Cassette/In-dash 6-disc CD Changer Audio System w/6 speakers and
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Say what you want about Kia's at least there 3.5 v-6 puts out more HP than Suzuki's V-6's.
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2004 KIA SORENTO FEATURES
LX EX MECHANICAL
Speed sensitive power steering with tilt
Torque-On-Demand® full-time 4WD (Luxury Package)
3.5-liter, 24-valve, DOHC V6 engine
5-speed manual transmission
Fully boxed ladder frame
Power steering w/tilt
Limited slip rear differential (4x4 only)
Free running differential (4x4 only)
2-speed transfer case (4x4 only)
Shift-on-the-fly 4WD (4x4 only)
LX EX EXTERIOR
16" tires w/full-size spare tire
Styled steel wheels
Side step bars (LX Sport Package)
Roof rack (LX Sport Package)
Alloy wheels w/full-size alloy spare
Two-tone body side cladding/bumpers
Multi-reflector auto-off head lamps
Available rear spoiler
Chrome accent door handles and rear garnish (Luxury Package)
16" Michelin tires w/full-size alloy spare tire (LX Sport Package)
Fog lamps (LX Sport Package)
Trailer hitch wiring sub-harness connector
Multi-reflector auto-off head lamps
Rear liftgate w/flip-up glass
Privacy glass
LX EX INTERIOR
8-way adjustable driver's seat w/adjustable lumbar
Delphi premium AM/FM/Cassette/CD stereo w/ 10 speakers
Moquette velour cloth seat/door trim
Leather-wrapped steering wheel
Rear quarter panel storage bin
Steering wheel stereo controls
Stainless steel scuff plates
Power sunroof w/tilt
Wood grain accents
Cargo net
Floor mats
Delphi premium AM/FM/6 disc-in-dash CD w/ 10 speakers & separate amplifier (Luxury Package)
Leather-wrapped/wood grain steering wheel (Luxury Package)
Leather seats (Luxury Package)
Leather-wrapped steering wheel (LX Sport Package)
Floor mounted cargo tie-down/cargo net hooks
Under rear cargo floor storage compartments
Power windows/heated mirrors/door locks
Lockable, dual compartment glove box
60/40 split flat folding rear seats
AM/FM/CD w/8-speakers
Four 12-volt power points
Map/dome/courtesy/cargo lights
Under seat storage bin
Rear cargo cover
Air conditioning
LX EX CONVENIENCE
Keyless remote (LX Sport Package)
Remote keyless entry w/panic alarm and rear glass remote
Multi-meter (outside temp, compass, altimeter, barometer)
HomeLink® programmable garage door opener
Automatic day/night rearview mirror
Tilt-adjustable headrests
Automatic climate control (Luxury Package)
Heated front seats (Luxury Package)
Auto headlamps (Luxury Package)
Dual covered and illuminated vanity mirrors
Center console w/armrest and dual storage
Cruise control w/steering wheel controls
Sunglass storage
Digital clock
LX EX SAFETY
Variable intermittent front wipers
Fixed upper/lower anchors for child safety seats (LATCH)
Front seat belt pretensioner w/force limiter
Energy absorbing steering column
Front and rear side-curtain airbags
Rear child safety door locks
Rear window wiper/washer
Low-fuel warning indicator
Front windshield de-icer
Available 4-wheel ABS
Side-impact protection
Rear window defogger
Dual front airbags
Battery saver
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Say what you want about Kia's at least there 3.5 v-6 puts out more HP than Suzuki's V-6's.
Power means nothing when that Korean engine falls apart after 6 months. ;D
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Power means nothing when that Korean engine falls apart after 6 months.  ;D
10 years / 100,000 mile warranty????
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10 years / 100,000 mile warranty????
Yep and (their cars at least) have one of the best ratings for reliability around.
I wish someone would come out w/ another Kick sized rig. The specs on the US Tucson shows a 2.7L engine... nearly as large as the SanteFe, same (lousy) mileage & 1000+ lbs heavier than a Kick.
(Years ago) I was down at the dealer to buy a new Kick or X90, when I found they'd gone to the Suzuki Viagra. (A decent enough rig, if you want something big.)
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10 years / 100,000 mile warranty????
You would have to have a warranty that long for all that shody workmanship. Notice how luxury cars never have warranties that long. ;D
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True... but only Honda has a better record of fewer first year warranty claims. (Odd, eh?)
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My father bought a hyundai and he likes it fine. No problems to speak of and it is holding together nicely. I don't see why everyone picks on cheaper vehicles.
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My father bought a hyundai and he likes it fine. No problems to speak of and it is holding together nicely. I don't see why everyone picks on cheaper vehicles.
True enough. My '89 (when they had all sorts of troubles) was a good car for years.
The modern (in the last 2 year) tests show it's the 2nd best car being sold... at least for "to dealer" repairs in the first year. Only Honda beats it, and it's tied with Toyota. GM, Ford, and the rest are *way* down on the scale.
Of course, it doesn't mean I'd buy one of the Hyundai Viagra wagons. ;D Auto companies produce cars for the previous decade. |removethispart|@ $2.25 per gallon (local) it's the only reason I'd consider moving to a new car... though mine has another decade in her.
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10 years / 100,000 mile warranty????
Are you sure the warranty is still valid when we swap it into our kicks? ;D