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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: JARYsidekick on May 15, 2008, 11:54:16 AM
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Hey everyone.
Well, I've been working on this swap for a while now. There have been the usual, and so so usual, ups and downs but everything is falling into place. I will leave you with a link to my Flickr account so you can access the pics which have descriptions written in english.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79046994|removethispart|@N00/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/79046994|removethispart|@N00/)
Please, any advices will be greatly appreciated. Feel free to ask me about anything.
Thanks. Enjoy.
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Good work, Looks like you only need to adapt the pilot bushing to put the 1.6 transmission to the 2.0 engine.
-Eric
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Great job.The swap looks very professional and well done.
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Good work, Looks like you only need to adapt the pilot bushing to put the 1.6 transmission to the 2.0 engine.
-Eric
Wow, I didn't know that... Does that mean the GV and XL7 engine's could bolt up too?
I'd love to put in a bigger engine >:D
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Good work, Looks like you only need to adapt the pilot bushing to put the 1.6 transmission to the 2.0 engine.
-Eric
Thanks ebewley. Well, the tranny is already bolted to the engine and the adapter for the pilot bearing is in place. I had my local shop make it out of bronze with very specific measurements I gave them. It turned out that the first copy of the bronze bushing had to be slightly modified because when we mated the tranny to the block, the engine itself didn't turned over so we noticed that the bushing was way to tight and got jammed, freezing engine rotation. Had it reworked and the second version was a perfect fit. In fact, it was so perfect that I'm a bit scared, so I'm going to pay very close attention to this when I startup the engine for the fist time. If it seems to not idle well or low in power, it may be a symptom of too much drag on the bushing.
I'll let you guys know.
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Great job.The swap looks very professional and well done.
Thanks kingzoo!!!
I really wanted this swap to look like the factory stuff and all the while using OEM parts so they can easily be replaced if any breakage would ever occur.
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Good work, Looks like you only need to adapt the pilot bushing to put the 1.6 transmission to the 2.0 engine.
-Eric
Wow, I didn't know that... Does that mean the GV and XL7 engine's could bolt up too?
I'd love to put in a bigger engine >:D
Do you mean swapping a GV/XL7 V6 engine to the Kick??? That would be a no-no. The thing is that the V6 engines have way different engine block bolt patterns from that on the Kick's tranny (either 4x2 or 4x4) so the tranny will never bolt to the V6 engine without the need of fabricating an adapter plate. Even so, very specific measurements should be taken to verify that the input shaft on the Kick's tranny is long enough to pass through the V6's flywheel pilot bearing. If this is true then you will have to take into account flywheel/bell housing dimensions as well as engine starter fitments and... dude it's a hell of a difficult swap. Although no impossible. If you do this, you will be added into the Engine Swaps Hall Of Fame!!!
Take care man.
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Nice work, looks really well done. Maybe one day I'll have to look into doing that on my Kick.
Question: What's a G16KV? I thought there was only the G16A (8 valve) and the G16B (16 valve).
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;) Nice work, I'd say you reached your goal of having it look "factory." Keep an eye on the manifold under that header wrap, the wrap is good for protecting local components from excessive hest, but is prone to destroying manifolds. Again, good job!
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Nice work, looks really well done. Maybe one day I'll have to look into doing that on my Kick.
Question: What's a G16KV? I thought there was only the G16A (8 valve) and the G16B (16 valve).
Thanks. You won't regret it when you see how cool the 2.0L engine looks in the Kick.
Well, as I understand the G16KV was a version of the G16B for the American market ???. You can search for this engine code and it will appear as a legitimate engine code of a 1.6L 16v SOHC engine. You know, I'll check the engine code on the side of my 1.6L and take a pic of it. I'll post it later today if possible.
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;) Nice work, I'd say you reached your goal of having it look "factory." Keep an eye on the manifold under that header wrap, the wrap is good for protecting local components from excessive hest, but is prone to destroying manifolds. Again, good job!
Thanks.
Yes, I was totally aware of this and is something that has me a tiny bit worried. Although I'll be boosting my Sidekick (Garrett T25 a/r .60 cold, a/r .64 hot off a Nissan Sylvia S13) and I'll definitely will have replace the manifold I'm going to pay close attention to this. I think it's going to last as I'm not planning to do any hard driving while the J20A in stock form but you never now.
Thanks again. Hey, if I'm not mistaking, you have a Kick with a really nice turbo setup. It is really a very professional work. I especially liked the water-to-air intercooler setup in the rig. Congratulations in an awesome work and for the very detailed descriptions on the pics.
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8) Thanks Jary, takes one to know one!
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Was this the machined part to fit the 2L to the 1.6L tranni?
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/2298160793_d7be59b24f.jpg?v=0)
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Dude, I'm so sorry that I didn't got back at you sooner. I've been really busy this week with work and the Kick. So far, the power steering is 90% complete (custom pressure line, Vitara 2.0L return line and custom feed line all done... still have to bolt on the canister - raining yesterday). Custom air intake is under work (using aluminum tubes and silicone connectors designed for turbo use) but still having trouble on settling on the right design that can be later altered for when going turbo (did I write that right???). Also thinking if tackling the wiring harness stuff myself, scared a bit but what's the worst that could happen... ::) (engine not firing, rendering unusable the harness, bunt ECU.... that's the reason I'm thinking about it!!!) :o
So, to answer you ?, yes, that's the pilot bushing adapter that makes the tranny work with the engine. Very specific measurements on this, and I mean outside as well as inside diameters, lengths and thickness. Hope that I don't run into any kind of trouble once I fire up the engine and run the Kick. Who would believe that small part would be responsible for practically the whole project to work? Amazing!!!
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Good work, Looks like you only need to adapt the pilot bushing to put the 1.6 transmission to the 2.0 engine.
-Eric
Wow, I didn't know that... Does that mean the GV and XL7 engine's could bolt up too?
I'd love to put in a bigger engine >:D
Nope. V6 has different belhousing. Someone might be able to make an adapter plate similar to the 1.3 to 1.6 plate...
-Eric
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Nope. V6 has different belhousing. Someone might be able to make an adapter plate similar to the 1.3 to 1.6 plate...
-Eric
Is it the same gearbox? will the bellhousings swap?
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Nope. V6 has different belhousing. Someone might be able to make an adapter plate similar to the 1.3 to 1.6 plate...
-Eric
Is it the same gearbox? will the bellhousings swap?
Nope, not that I've seen. The similarity is at the end (back) of all of the transmissions.... and that's a good thing for you can use the larger more substantial V6 transmissions and mate them to your sidekick t-cases that you've spend moola on the gearsets for.
-Eric
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So swapping in a V6, you could use the matching tranni and not need to modify too much?
I don't mean mounts, I'm more or less wondering if the length is similar to place the t-case in the same spot.
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So swapping in a V6, you could use the matching tranni and not need to modify too much?
I don't mean mounts, I'm more or less wondering if the length is similar to place the t-case in the same spot.
Yep, t-case mounts are in the same spot as with the 4 cylinder transmssions and t-cases.
-Eric
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So swapping in a V6, you could use the matching tranni and not need to modify too much?
I don't mean mounts, I'm more or less wondering if the length is similar to place the t-case in the same spot.
Yep, t-case mounts are in the same spot as with the 4 cylinder transmssions and t-cases.
-Eric
Have you done this peticular swap yourself Eric? (the V6 I mean)
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Other than the obvious, what is the benefit from this swap over the 1.6 16v LSI. Is this swap really worth the trouble?
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FYI:
aftermarket4x4.com (http://aftermarket4x4.com) carries the bushing you need to mate the 2.0L to the 1.6L transmission.
Other than the obvious, what is the benefit from this swap over the 1.6 16v LSI. Is this swap really worth the trouble?
Depends on if more power is your thing... 99 HP & Torque vs 125 HP / 136 Torque.
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Other than the obvious, what is the benefit from this swap over the 1.6 16v LSI. Is this swap really worth the trouble?
Well, as mentioned, power increment is the obvious reason but most importantly, engine availability and exchangeability. J series engines are still being produced by Suzuki, as found in the new SX4's (J20) and the J18 (Esteem/Baleno) and J23 (Aerio/Liana) are completely swappable with the J20 and Trackick trannies (4 cyl). So this means that if my newly swapped J20 fails someday I can just buy a J23 off a 2007 Aerio or a J20 off a 2008 SX4 and have the benefit of an up-to-date motor on my "old" 98' Kick.
Doesn't that sound incredibly awesome!!!! Hehehe