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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: tipover on May 27, 2008, 11:56:26 AM
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What ever happened to richmonds possible interest to make some lower ring and pinions for the kicks. I saw a poll on this site and never hear anything more? still a possibility?
Thanks
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I also saw something about Trail Tough? making a reduction gear. Any news on that?
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I think it was Boondox trying to get some made up but they needed 30 people to commit before they could get them made. As far as I know that never happened. Really the only option right now is t-case gears. If you have an automatic you can swap in gears from a 5 speed for a reduction. Autos were 4.62 and 5 spd's are 5.12 I believe.
Derek
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I got 5.125, not low enough for anything 31 or bigger... I'd buy a lift if i had gears...
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Calmini sells 5.38 gears if that is of interest.I saw them listed on another Zuki vendors site as well,mabey trail tough.I will try to find out for sure and post it tomorrow.
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I would be really interested in a ~3.10 ratio gear set. I would be doing approx. 65mph |removethispart|@ 2,500 rpm and that would be a great improvement over 5.13's which did 65mph |removethispart|@ ~4,000 rpm.
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I would be really interested in a ~3.10 ratio gear set. I would be doing approx. 65mph |removethispart|@ 2,500 rpm and that would be a great improvement over 5.13's which did 65mph |removethispart|@ ~4,000 rpm.
Sorry, meant for normal traffic commuting. The thing is that on long trips the engine is running to revved up and the engine suffers too much.
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I would be really interested in a ~3.10 ratio gear set. I would be doing approx. 65mph |removethispart|@ 2,500 rpm and that would be a great improvement over 5.13's which did 65mph |removethispart|@ ~4,000 rpm.
I take it you're running a V8.
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I would be really interested in a ~3.10 ratio gear set. I would be doing approx. 65mph |removethispart|@ 2,500 rpm and that would be a great improvement over 5.13's which did 65mph |removethispart|@ ~4,000 rpm.
I take it you're running a V8.
or downhill on pavement lubed with astroglide!!!
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Calmini sells 5.38 gears if that is of interest.I saw them listed on another Zuki vendors site as well,mabey trail tough.I will try to find out for sure and post it tomorrow.
let us know, a 5% lower is better than nothing at this point...
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I would be really interested in a ~3.10 ratio gear set. I would be doing approx. 65mph |removethispart|@ 2,500 rpm and that would be a great improvement over 5.13's which did 65mph |removethispart|@ ~4,000 rpm.
I take it you're running a V8.
No. I swapped for a J20A. Mine is a street only Kick. Since I travel a lot in the island (Puerto Rico), I wish to have a lower gear ratio so not to stress the engine too much. I will go turbo soon so I will take advantage of the higher MPH achievable with lower gear ratio. Also, my wheel diameter is ~26 inches (I'm using 2003 GV rims) so lower ratios are preferred.
Any help on this?
BTW, do you refer as "lower" to a low number ratio (eg. 3.10) and "higher" to high number ratio (eg. 5.125 or 6.30)??? Or is it the contrary?
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I would be really interested in a ~3.10 ratio gear set. I would be doing approx. 65mph |removethispart|@ 2,500 rpm and that would be a great improvement over 5.13's which did 65mph |removethispart|@ ~4,000 rpm.
I take it you're running a V8.
No. I swapped for a J20A. Mine is a street only Kick. Since I travel a lot in the island (Puerto Rico), I wish to have a lower gear ratio so not to stress the engine too much. I will go turbo soon so I will take advantage of the higher MPH achievable with lower gear ratio. Also, my wheel diameter is ~26 inches (I'm using 2003 GV rims) so lower ratios are preferred.
These engines don't make much power down low, and the trucks themselves aren't very aerodynamic. Which means if you lower the revs at cruising speed too low, you'll not be able to maintain speed in high gear anymore. Seriously. You'll end up driving in 4th all the time, as 5th will be COMPLETELY USELESS. And your mileage will be worse since you just made your not-exactly-close-ratio 5-speed gearbox into a wide-ratio 4-speed.
Besides, revs (short of redline) do not stress an engine nearly as much as making it lug.
Do the math and compare your plan to the final drive ratios reached by guys running 33-35" tires before regearing back to as near-stock as possible.
You will not like the result if you do what you're planning; it will categorically not accomplish what you want.
Boy, did we ever hijack this thread...
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I have a J20A 2.0 kick and the R&P's standard are 4.625 for the manual and 4.875 for the auto and that's with 27" standard rubber. If you really need to do something then there is a 4.30 R&P in some Kicks and GV's.
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I would be really interested in a ~3.10 ratio gear set. I would be doing approx. 65mph |removethispart|@ 2,500 rpm and that would be a great improvement over 5.13's which did 65mph |removethispart|@ ~4,000 rpm.
I take it you're running a V8.
No. I swapped for a J20A. Mine is a street only Kick. Since I travel a lot in the island (Puerto Rico), I wish to have a lower gear ratio so not to stress the engine too much. I will go turbo soon so I will take advantage of the higher MPH achievable with lower gear ratio. Also, my wheel diameter is ~26 inches (I'm using 2003 GV rims) so lower ratios are preferred.
These engines don't make much power down low, and the trucks themselves aren't very aerodynamic. Which means if you lower the revs at cruising speed too low, you'll not be able to maintain speed in high gear anymore. Seriously. You'll end up driving in 4th all the time, as 5th will be COMPLETELY USELESS. And your mileage will be worse since you just made your not-exactly-close-ratio 5-speed gearbox into a wide-ratio 4-speed.
Besides, revs (short of redline) do not stress an engine nearly as much as making it lug.
Do the math and compare your plan to the final drive ratios reached by guys running 33-35" tires before regearing back to as near-stock as possible.
You will not like the result if you do what you're planning; it will categorically not accomplish what you want.
Boy, did we ever hijack this thread...
Well, I wouldn't be so sure about the apparent underpower. You see, they are a bit underpowered in their stock form, that's with a "straw-like" exhaust tubing and very restricted intake system. Add to that two inline catalytic converters, way rich gasoline map curves, a so so engine management system... Correct all those and you will have an engine producing around 150 ponies easy. Pair that with lighter, lower diameter tires & rims and the engine will not loose too much power as with ~33's that you guys are using for off road (no disrespect mented :) ).
So I think that a 3.10 ratio would be very good for my application, tough I could very well be wrong too. Who knows, maybe a 3.80 or so would better suite me.
Yup, sorry for the thread-jacking.
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I would be really interested in a ~3.10 ratio gear set. I would be doing approx. 65mph |removethispart|@ 2,500 rpm and that would be a great improvement over 5.13's which did 65mph |removethispart|@ ~4,000 rpm.
I take it you're running a V8.
No. I swapped for a J20A. Mine is a street only Kick. Since I travel a lot in the island (Puerto Rico), I wish to have a lower gear ratio so not to stress the engine too much. I will go turbo soon so I will take advantage of the higher MPH achievable with lower gear ratio. Also, my wheel diameter is ~26 inches (I'm using 2003 GV rims) so lower ratios are preferred.
These engines don't make much power down low, and the trucks themselves aren't very aerodynamic. Which means if you lower the revs at cruising speed too low, you'll not be able to maintain speed in high gear anymore. Seriously. You'll end up driving in 4th all the time, as 5th will be COMPLETELY USELESS. And your mileage will be worse since you just made your not-exactly-close-ratio 5-speed gearbox into a wide-ratio 4-speed.
Besides, revs (short of redline) do not stress an engine nearly as much as making it lug.
Do the math and compare your plan to the final drive ratios reached by guys running 33-35" tires before regearing back to as near-stock as possible.
You will not like the result if you do what you're planning; it will categorically not accomplish what you want.
Boy, did we ever hijack this thread...
Well, I wouldn't be so sure about the apparent underpower. You see, they are a bit underpowered in their stock form, that's with a "straw-like" exhaust tubing and very restricted intake system. Add to that two inline catalytic converters, way rich gasoline map curves, a so so engine management system... Correct all those and you will have an engine producing around 150 ponies easy. Pair that with lighter, lower diameter tires & rims and the engine will not loose too much power as with ~33's that you guys are using for off road (no disrespect mented :) ).
So I think that a 3.10 ratio would be very good for my application, tough I could very well be wrong too. Who knows, maybe a 3.80 or so would better suite me.
Yup, sorry for the thread-jacking.
Hi all,
I wanted to clarify that beercheck was correct and I was mistaken. I was calculating the whole thing incorrectly as I wasn't taking into account that the 5th gear ratio is .86 so a 3.10 ratio is way too low. As CJ said, a 4.625 or a 4.30 will work well enough.
Sorry beercheck for going against you when I was totally wrong.
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takes balls to admit wrong... you're a good guy.
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As CJ said, a 4.625 or a 4.30 will work well enough.
Now you're talkin'.
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Sorry beercheck for going against you when I was totally wrong.
No worries of any kind.
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I have the 5.83's and a 4.25 trasfer case.
If I had it to do over I'd go with the double tranfer case with a sami T case. The sami has the gear reduction for highway speeds and the doubled up T cases would give you a Hi - Mid - Low range.
I added it up once and came out to about 1/2 the price of the way I went.
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i use a custom adapter to eliminate the "married trackick t case" and run a samurai like intermediate shaft to my samurai t case i run this on my samurai with an automatic sidekick tranny and 1.6 16 valve engine with 6.5:1 t case gears. im currantly doing this exact setup on one of my 2 door trackers
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yea, i got many sammy t-cases around, but I drive my kick every day to work and I flat tow it behind my motor home. I got a sammy for the hard stuff and want to keep the kick high speed worthy. So the offset rear is a problem for me. I just wish i could find a set of R&Ps for it and a IFS lift to keep it sane...
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As CJ said, a 4.625 or a 4.30 will work well enough.
Now you're talkin'.
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Sorry beercheck for going against you when I was totally wrong.
No worries of any kind.
Thanks Beercheck. Also thanks to Tipover for the help on the PM.
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i use to drive mt sammi to work every day at 75 mph pass drop t case and centerd toyota rear end no vibes, just use a cv type driveline