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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: susan_4X4 on September 11, 2008, 05:47:39 PM
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#1. I've been told that the front ring gear diameter for the 1991 2-Door 5-speed Sidekick is 6.9". Is that correct??
#2. Does anyone know what the rear ring gear diameter for the 1991 2-Door 5-speed Sidekick is??
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Why do you need to know the diameter? What are you trying to do?
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#1. Aren't spacers required to use Sidekick R & P Gears in a Samurai??
#2. What's your reaction to the statement at the following website that says that Yukon Ring & Pinion gears will fit the Samurai or Sidekick/Tracker vehicles??
http://www.roadlessgear.com/page/RGL/PROD/D/YGA100
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Only front trackick gears will fit in samurai axle housings. The rear trackick ring gears are too big to fit.
A can (to hold the crosspins from sliding out of the carrier, since the trackick ring gears are tapered on the inside) and a shim (to compensate for the ring gear thickness and the ring gear mounting position on the carrier) is needed to use trackick gears in samurai thirds/axles.
Trackick front, and both samurai front and rear gears will all interchange. So if you need gears for the rear of a trackick, they will need to be bigger. That website is kinda misleading on the way they have it worded. And I see no place to specify if you are ordering gears for a trackick or samurai.
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FORWARD from "scrubb" at Zukikrawlers:
http://www.zukikrawlers.com/showthread.php?t=18852
Those gears will fit in the front of a trackick but not the rear. I would hope they would tell you that when
you order them.
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Any your point is? ???
Maybe you need to tell us specifically what you are trying/wanting to do......then we can give you specific answers to your questions.
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#1. The following webpage gives detailed information on the Samurai R & P:
http://www.precisiongear.com/suzukiring.htm
#2. Does anyone know of a similar webpage for the Sidekick R & P??
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If you are trying to regear your Track/Kick, why are you only going to 5.29s? It already has 5.125s. What size tire are you running or trying to regear for? Calmini has 5.83s available for the front and rear of Track/Kicks.
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As the following webpage shows, the Calmini R & P Gears for Sidekicks/Trackers have been "Temporarily Discontinued", & also, the following webpage also shows that R & P gears were NOT offered for the 10 Bolt '89-'92 Rear:
http://www.puresuzuki.com/Ring%20&%20Pinion.htm
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There's a good recently revised thread at the following URL on 89-98 Trackick R & P gear ratios that's based on year, body style, engine, & tranny combo, & that also gives the following tooth count:
4.30 gears have a 10/43 tooth count
4.625 gears have an 8/37 tooth count
4.875 gears have an 8/39 tooth count
5.125 gears have an 8/41 tooth count
5.375 gears have an 8/43 tooth count
5.625 gears have an 8/45 tooth count
5.833 gears have a 6/35 tooth count (Calmini)
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,73437.0.html
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CORRECTED ON SEPTEMBER 14, 2008:
Because of "Topic Merge", the CORRECT URL should be:
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,15579.0.html
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#1. The following URL says that the stock transfer case gear ratio is 1.409 in high range, but I thought that every transfer case gear ratio was always 1.0 in high range!! What transfer case are they referring to??
http://www.izook.com/tech/math/gearing/gearingtables.htm
#2. I thought that the stock transfer case gear ratio for a 1991 2-Door 5-speed Sidekick was 1.0 in high range, & 1.85 in low range. Am I wrong??
#3. Are these the correct tranny gear ratios for a 1991 2-Door 5-speed Sidekick??
1st 3.65
2nd 1.95
3rd 1.38
4th 1.00
5th 0.86
Reverse 3.67
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According to the following thread, the GV and XL7 front R & P gears fit Samurai carriers without the need of cans and spacers:
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content?topic=59414.0 (http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content?topic=59414.0)
Original Post:
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,3975.0.html (http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,3975.0.html)
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FORWARD from "Whitfield" at Zuwharrie.Com BBS:
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,88110.0.html
RE: 1991 2-Door 5-speed Sidekick Ring & Pinion Gears
Quote from: susan_4X4 on Today at 01:35:46 AM
According to the following thread, the GV and XL7 front R & P gears fit Samurai carriers without the need of cans and spacers:
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content?topic=59414.0
Original Post:
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,3975.0.html
REPLY from "Whitfield":
Actually the design of the post was to get a Steel 5.125:1 geared housing into a Kick or Sammy. The Complete GV steel front unit will change into either a Samurai axle or a Tracker front axle. NOT that the Gear Dia or thickness would be a direct swap into a Steel Sammy carrier. I would bet the GV ring gear would still need the can and spacer.
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According to the following thread, the correct tranny gear ratios for a 1990 5-speed Sidekick are the following, & wouldn't the tranny gear ratios be the same for any 1989-1998 5-speed Sidekick/Tracker??:
Gear ratios
1st 3.65
2nd 1.95
3rd 1.38
4th 1.00
5th 0.86
Reverse 3.67
http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=4379.0
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FORWARD from "Whitfield" at Zuwharrie.Com BBS:
[url]http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,88110.0.html[/url]
RE: 1991 2-Door 5-speed Sidekick Ring & Pinion Gears
Quote from: susan_4X4 on Today at 01:35:46 AM
According to the following thread, the GV and XL7 front R & P gears fit Samurai carriers without the need of cans and spacers:
[url]http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content?topic=59414.0[/url]
Original Post:
[url]http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,3975.0.html[/url]
REPLY from "Whitfield":
Actually the design of the post was to get a Steel 5.125:1 geared housing into a Kick or Sammy. The Complete GV steel front unit will change into either a Samurai axle or a Tracker front axle. NOT that the Gear Dia or thickness would be a direct swap into a Steel Sammy carrier. I would bet the GV ring gear would still need the can and spacer.
REPLY from "doughnutzuki82" at Zukikrawlers to "Whitfield" at:
http://www.zukikrawlers.com/showthread.php?t=18852
the tracker front thirds will bolt directly in place of the sami unit but people have had issues with the aluminum section cracking. the gear carrier in the tracker unit is not as strong either. the best route for one to go would be to put tracker front gears in the samurai third members and to use the can/shim kit with them. this is providing that the gears are used units and not new replacement gears.
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well i thought it was in good shape, blew the rings in the bacl two cylinders tuesday, ssshhhhh*******TTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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As the following webpage shows, the Calmini R & P Gears for Sidekicks/Trackers have been "Temporarily Discontinued", & also, the following webpage also shows that R & P gears were NOT offered for the 10 Bolt '89-'92 Rear:
[url]http://www.puresuzuki.com/Ring%20&%20Pinion.htm[/url]
10 bolts were available in the past. I picked up a set of 5:83s but had to swap to a 10 bolt carrier in the rear.
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Quote from "susan_4X4" at Zuwharrie.Com BBS:
According to the following thread, the GV and XL7 front R & P gears fit Samurai carriers without the need of cans and spacers:
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content?topic=59414.0
Original Post:
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,3975.0.html
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REPLY from "Whitfield" at Zuwharrie.Com BBS:
Actually the design of the post was to get a Steel 5.125:1 geared housing into a Kick or Sammy. The Complete GV steel front unit will change into either a Samurai axle or a Tracker front axle. NOT that the Gear Dia or thickness would be a direct swap into a Steel Sammy carrier. I would bet the GV ring gear would still need the can and spacer.
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REPLY from "doughnutzuki82" at Zukikrawlers:
the tracker front thirds will bolt directly in place of the sami unit but people have had issues with the aluminum section cracking. the gear carrier in the tracker unit is not as strong either. the best route for one to go would be to put tracker front gears in the samurai third members and to use the can/shim kit with them. this is providing that the gears are used units and not new replacement gears.
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well i thought it was in good shape, blew the rings in the bacl two cylinders tuesday, ssshhhhh*******TTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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REPLY from "skyhiranger" at Zuwharrie.Com BBS:
the later trackick (99 and up) gears are cut differently.
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There's a good recently revised thread at the following URL on 89-98 Trackick R & P gear ratios that's based on year, body style, engine, & tranny combo, & that also gives the following tooth count:
4.30 gears have a 10/43 tooth count
4.625 gears have an 8/37 tooth count
4.875 gears have an 8/39 tooth count
5.125 gears have an 8/41 tooth count
5.375 gears have an 8/43 tooth count
5.625 gears have an 8/45 tooth count
5.833 gears have a 6/35 tooth count (Calmini)
[url]http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,73437.0.html[/url] ([url]http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,73437.0.html[/url])
Because of "Topic Merge", the CORRECT URL should be:
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,15579.0.html (http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,15579.0.html)
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Wow... that is a lot of posts. I assume your looking at putting the gears from a Tracker into a Samurai.
First, my opinion. Don't. Unless your planning on putting in a hybrid rear housing or you have a pair of Trackers to swipe the front gears from it's not worth it. If I was doing thing all over, I would have just bought some transfer case gears.
Putting Tracker gears in a Samurai:
- The front diff from a Tracker is a direct replacement for a Samurai. But as mentioned earlier, it is aluminum and can break. I ran one for over a year and didn't have a problem.
- The 89-95 Trackers have 22 spline side gears. This will go in the stock Samurai front end. Most heavy duty front axle shafts, like the ones from Trail Tough (still on sale! woot!), have 26 spline matching the rear end instead of the 22 spline.
- The 96-98 Tracker have 26 spline side gears, this will drop directly into the Samurai rear end or a front end with heavy duty axle shafts.
- If you want to use the Tracker gears in a Samurai steel differential case you will need an adapter plate. This is because the Tracker ring gear is thinner then the Samurai one. Basically you are adding a giant washer to make everything line up properly. This ring is available from most retailers. I like Hawk Simply Suzuki myself. If you want to do this swap, call them and tell them what parts you have and they will ship you a box with everything you need for the swap.
As for the "140% reduction" for the Samurai transfer case, this is true. Stock ranges for the samurai transfer case:
High Range - 1.409:1
Low Range - 2.268:1
One of the nice things about the Samurai transfer cases is putting in the crawler gears also drops your low range, helping you run the bigger tires on the road. Here is a list of the kits + high range reduction.
- Low Ratio - High Range Reduction
- 4.16:1 - 12%
- 4.89:1 - 18%
- 5.14:1 - 18.2%
- 5.8:1 - 18.2%
- 6.5:1 - 20.2%
- 8:1 - 24%
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As for the "140% reduction" for the Samurai transfer case, this is true. Stock ranges for the samurai transfer case:
High Range - 1.409
Low Range - 2.268
Uhhh....wrong.
Better go back and refigure the samurai tcase high range reduction......it isn't 140%. ::)
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As for the "140% reduction" for the Samurai transfer case, this is true. Stock ranges for the samurai transfer case:
High Range - 1.409
Low Range - 2.268
Uhhh....wrong.
Better go back and refigure the samurai tcase high range reduction......it isn't 140%. ::)
High Range - 1.409:1, so it's a 40% reduction. better? :P
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As for the "140% reduction" for the Samurai transfer case, this is true. Stock ranges for the samurai transfer case:
High Range - 1.409
Low Range - 2.268
Uhhh....wrong.
Better go back and refigure the samurai tcase high range reduction......it isn't 140%. ::)
High Range - 1.409:1, so it's a 40% reduction. better? :P
Yep. ;)
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"susan_4X4" wrote at Zuwharrie.Com BBS:
#2. I thought that the stock transfer case gear ratio for a 1991 2-Door 5-speed Sidekick was 1.0 in high range, & 1.85 in low range. Am I wrong??
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"Whitfield" wrote at Zuwharrie.Com BBS: [with grammar corrections]
#2. Yes, you're correct.
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"skyhiranger" wrote at Zuwharrie.Com BBS:
yes, you are wrong
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"skyhiranger", what are the stock transfer case gear ratios for a 1991 2-Door 5-speed Sidekick in high & low range??
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What are you trying to use these gears for? Are you building up a Samurai with a Tracker drive train, or just looking to mod up a Tracker?
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"susan_4X4" wrote at Zuwharrie.Com BBS:
#2. I thought that the stock transfer case gear ratio for a 1991 2-Door 5-speed Sidekick was 1.0 in high range, &
1.85 in low range. Am I wrong??
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"Whitfield" wrote at Zuwharrie.Com BBS: [with grammar corrections]
#2. Yes, you're correct.
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"skyhiranger" wrote at Zuwharrie.Com BBS:
yes, you are wrong
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"skyhiranger", what are the stock transfer case gear ratios for a 1991 2-Door 5-speed Sidekick in high & low range??
Do a search, you can find the answer.
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"susan_4X4" wrote at Zuwharrie.Com BBS:
#2. I thought that the stock transfer case gear ratio for a 1991 2-Door 5-speed Sidekick was 1.0 in high range, &
1.85 in low range. Am I wrong??
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"Whitfield" wrote at Zuwharrie.Com BBS: [with grammar corrections]
#2. Yes, you're correct.
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"skyhiranger" wrote at Zuwharrie.Com BBS:
yes, you are wrong
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"skyhiranger", what are the stock transfer case gear ratios for a 1991 2-Door 5-speed Sidekick in high & low range??
According to the following URL, the stock Suzuki transfer case low range gear ratio is 1.81:1:
http://www.boondoxmotorsports.com/zuk_drivetrain.html (http://www.boondoxmotorsports.com/zuk_drivetrain.html)
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The Samurai and Tracker are completely different vehicles. The only thing that easily be swapped between them is the front differential gears.
If you tell us what you are trying to do, we can help you out. Otherwise it just looks like a bunch of cross postings.
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If you tell us what you are trying to do, we can help you out. Otherwise it just looks like a bunch of cross postings.
I told her the same thing shortly after she started this post. She just seems interested in getting as many answers as she can and cross-posting.....annoying as shit isn't it?......totally worthless thread.
I am not giving her any more answers until she tells us what she is doing.
BTW susan, 1.81 is wrong too.....close, but not exact. ::)
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i'm confused ??? ??? ???
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Words, words, words............ ???
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I'm not even sure she knows whats she's doing at thia point! LOL!
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I'm thinking someone just wants to fill a bunch of pages of babbling ???
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Dude, it's like watching a fired up prosecutor going after a defendant, but in terms of zuki R&P's! LOL!
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#1. "skyhiranger" &/or to whom it may concern, according to Trail Tough, the Trackick front ring gear diameter is 6.9", & the Trackick rear ring gear diameter is 7.5". Is that correct, & would you consider Trail Tough to be a good source of information?
#2. "skyhiranger" &/or to whom it may concern, what's your reaction to the following paragraphs from Boondox Motorsports at the following URL?:
"Manual Transmission: The 5 speed manual transmission used in Suzuki's is quite capable of handling the abuse of off-road use. Unless you are going with a 200+ horsepower engine your stock transmission should be all you will ever need. The gear ratios are 1=3.78:1, 2=1.95:1, 3=1.37:1, 4=1.0:1, 5=0.8:1 and R=3.65:1.
Clutch: Upgrading the stock clutch to a stronger one should be done either during your build or as soon as your stock one starts to fade. A good performance clutch will handle the stress of off-road use with less slippage and more power to the wheels.
3 Speed Automatic: The 3 speed automatic transmission used in Suzuki's is also considered to be a strong transmission. It is called a 3L30 or TH180 and was also used by GM in the Chevette. It has a lock-up torque converter and gear ratios of 1=2.40:1, 2=1.47:1, D=1.0:1 and R=2.0:1
4 Speed Automatic: The 4 speed automatic is also a good transmission. It is called a 03-72LE and is also used by Kia in the Sportage and Sorento. It also has a lock-up torque converter and gear ratios of 1=2.83:1, 2=1.49:1, 3=1.0:1, D=0.73:1 and R=2.7:1"
http://www.boondoxmotorsports.com/zuk_drivetrain.html (http://www.boondoxmotorsports.com/zuk_drivetrain.html)
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#1. "skyhiranger" &/or to whom it may concern, according to Trail Tough, the Trackick front ring gear diameter is 6.9", & the Trackick rear ring gear diameter is 7.5". Is that correct, & would you consider Trail Tough to be a good source of information?
You also have two different rear ends though. A 12 bolt and 8 bolt (or is it 10?), so the ring gears will not necessarily swap between different Tracker/Sidekicks. Trail Tough is a pretty good source for info, I hear they do some after market work with the Suzuki's. Might just be a rumor though. :)
And with this, I'm officially ending my support of this thread, as amusing as it's been. Unless your looking to grind custom gears out of a block of marble you picked up last weekend knowing the diameter really isn't going to do much good. :P