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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: 99Trackerconv on September 19, 2004, 11:01:53 AM
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The ebay Tracker that was posted a while ago with the Ford V8 in it has got me thinking. ::) ;D Yes I do that alot. hehe
I've been wanting to do the Xl-7 engine and 5spd swap for a while but it's hard to find a 5spd. :'(
So I was wondering if the Chevy 4.3v6 or maybe a 350 or Vette engine would be a good fitting swap? It's easier to find them in a manual trans. But then I would also have to fabracate everything unlike the XL-7 swap that drops right into my 99 Tracker
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what kind of vette engine..ls1 lt1 5.7ltr??
the only thing u have to really worry about is width of the engine the heads might have a prblem clearing
also remember that putting more power in ur rig means that it will break things easier..kimball is having a piss fit with me on that lol
i am going down the same road u are thinking i was thinking the 2.5 from a GV but now i have moved on to a V-8 =)
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Well I haven't went over the pros/cons of the LS1 Vs. LT1 but I know that my brothers S-10 has the 4.3 in it and it's pretty fast thats why I thought about it too.
I'm thinking about the V8 so that I have more mod choices either engine I go with.
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The guys at Chevy's skunkworks built a Tracker soft top with a 3.4L V6 and 4spd auto....they showed some footage of it ripping around their 4X4 test grounds...wicked fast little truck :D
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WHAT!!! When did you see that? I wanna see!
3.4 or did you mean 4.3 V6?
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Whatever you go with, go aluminum to retain the Tracker's light weight. LS1... *drool*
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It's probably a 3.4, GM builds one, it's a relative of the 2.8 and 3.1 if I"m not mistaken, it's a narrow block V-6 it would fit a lot easier than a wide degree 4.3(which is derived form the famed small blcok V-8 just has two cylinders lopped off, verly durable too) If I'm wrong, anyone can correct me, but I'm pretty sure of this. Hope it helped, Dave ;D
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a guy here in tucson had a 4.3 and 700r4 trans,put his zuk over backwards on flat ground.(plenty of power)
i've been told it is a 350 with the back cylinders cut off.
AZ
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The 2.8 and 3.1 V6s are 60* Vs
the 4.3 V6 is a 90* V6, I would
go with a 2.8 or a 3.1, as there
are a bunch of performance parts
available for them should you ever
want more punch than the motor
offers, but remember Torque moves
mountains, not Horse Power
Wild
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but remember Torque moves
mountains, not Horse Power
Indeed. Now for the 4.9L Ford swaps... I even got one out in mah barn :o That would be crazy in a kick (read: impossible ;D)
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OK well does the 2.8 or 3.1 come in a RWD configuration?
I know that my old lumina had a 3.1 and some Cavaliers did too but those are FWD
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Ya, they came in the S-10 pickups,
I don't know what the bolt pattern is,
bu tif it's the same as a V8 you should
be good.
My dad used to have a S-10 Blazer 4x4
with a 2.8, that might be an easy to do swap
Wild
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Sorry but I have to suggest that you stay away from the 2.8L's.  I used to have one in an old Firdbird I had growing up and they have severe issues with oil lubrication, not to mention a whole host of other issues.  The 3.1L was built to replace that problematic motor, which was finally replaced by the 3.4L.  As for performance parts, you will find way more for the 90 degree engines vs the 60 degree ones.  The 4.3L is essentially a 350 shortened, so pretty much anything that bolts to a 350, bolts to a 4.3L. ÂÂ
4.3Ls are:
a solid engine
lots of aftermarket support
various fuel systems (carb, TBI, TPI, CPI, CSFI)
90 degree pattern so lots of tranny options (the 60 degrees will limit you to that option)
Stay away from the V8's though.  I run an LT1 in my Ram Air now and without a solid tranny behind it, you're asking for trouble.  Mine has the T-56 manual 6 speed but to put that in a Zuk, well, it's too long, and very expensive.  The only other manual I would ever consider using behind the LT1 would be the NV4500, which is just as expensive and weighs in at a whopping 200 lbs!  Yes, cast iron case, and good luck finding one  :-/  If you go with the LS1, the problems are compounded as those are even more powerful.  Go the automatic tranny route and that's a different story.
Do yourself a favour and if you have to go big, go as far as the 4.3L.  In the end, you'll be happier and have a much more reasonable vehicle than the V8's.  I'm doing the 4.3L now in my Samurai, and I wouldn't do it again.  Too much $$$ and too much time wasted.  Oh well, live and learn.
Cheers,
Steve
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OK, maybe a dumb question, but is a V6 or V8 with a matching trans, in a 2-door TracKick still going to be 4WD? Can you fit a transfer case behind the engine and trans? What kind of tunnel body work is this going to require? I'm curious about this because I've been led to believe that I would have a tough time fitting a OD trans (from a 4-door) behind my 1.6.
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I can't say what yours will require but my Samurai needed to have the tunnel widened and I put on a 2" body lift for several reasons, one of which to make things easier. I would NOT suggest using the stock t-case but would rather suggest you use the Dana 300 from a 1980 CJ. That year's case is 2" shorter than all the other years. The way mine sits now, I will need to shorten my stock Toy CV shaft maybe an inch, so it's got lots of room. That D300 will bolt up (NO adapter needed despite what everyone says!!! I know, I did it) minus one bolt to the GM tranny. The only mod is a new matching spline input shaft for the Dana (to match the either 27 or 32 splines on the tranny output shaft) and to widen the lower hole on the tranny mounting flange in order to have all the bolts in. It will clock the D300 almost parallel to the ground, which is great for ground clearance, but not great for the floor, hense the body lift ;) I have tons of pics, info, etc. just ask. If you really wanted the flexability to clock the D300 at your desire, buy or fab, a clocking ring. I bought one for $80 and it was $$$ well spent.
Cheers!
Steve
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WHAT!!! When did you see that? I wanna see!
3.4 or did you mean 4.3 V6?
It was a few years back on horsepower TV or something like that...it was a 3.4L DOHC out of the old Lumina Z34.
I'll try to find more info on it...it was on the same show that had a new model Monte with a 5.7L and rear drive...that was pretty sweet as well.
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While you can never go too far wrong with too much drivetrain strength, it would seem to me that a NV3500 gearbox could live happily behind an LT1 or other V-8. The NV3500 is half the weight of the NV4500, less expensive, and easier to find. New Venture's own spec sheet says the NV3500 is good for 300 ft-lb of torque in a 7200 pound vehicle.
That said, I'm putting a NV3550 with my 4.3 Vortec, so I'm a little over spec'd too. But, I'm not sure I'd ditch this lighter NV if I switched to V-8...
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remember that the lt1s had a vented opti..as u know if water gets in there it means insta death lol
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OK, maybe a dumb question, but is a V6 or V8 with a matching trans, in a 2-door TracKick still going to be 4WD?  Can you fit a transfer case behind the engine and trans?  What kind of tunnel body work is this going to require?  I'm curious about this because I've been led to believe that I would have a tough time fitting a OD trans (from a 4-door) behind my 1.6.
My overdrive trans. fits perfect ;D
Transfer case
(http://images.snapfish.com/33%3B8956%3B23232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2329%3D585%3D374%3DXROQDF%3E2323638789949ot1lsi)
Front driveshaft
(http://images.snapfish.com/33%3B8956%3B23232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E2329%3D585%3D374%3DXROQDF%3E2323638788277ot1lsi)
Cat clearance Passenger side from below
(http://images.snapfish.com/33%3B8956%3B23232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2329%3D585%3D374%3DXROQDF%3E232363878963%3Aot1lsi)
From above-notice alot of room to spare
(http://images.snapfish.com/33%3B8956%3B23232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2329%3D585%3D374%3DXROQDF%3E23236387875%3A%3Bot1lsi)
drivers side exhaust/cat clearance
(http://images.snapfish.com/33%3B8956%3B23232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E2329%3D585%3D374%3DXROQDF%3E2323638786%3A9%3Bot1lsi)
Radiator clearance....Not much!!
(http://images.snapfish.com/33%3B8956%3B23232%7Ffp47%3Dot%3E2329%3D585%3D374%3DXROQDF%3E23236387873%3A6ot1lsi)
Radiator from drivers side-note dual electric fans
(http://images.snapfish.com/33%3B8956%3B23232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2329%3D585%3D374%3DXROQDF%3E23236387873%3A8ot1lsi)
And everyones favorite picture....baaahhaaawaaaaa
(http://images.snapfish.com/33%3B8956%3B23232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2329%3D585%3D374%3DXROQDF%3E23235723%3A47%3B5ot1lsi)
I've done some tidying up of the engine bay since these were takin' and added my washer bottle to the drivers side and moved the Rad. resevoir.
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The NV3500's are fine but from what all the guys at the S-10 forums say, they don't fair well behind the V8's. I agree with you though, that our light weight plays a factor but IMO, I wouldn't do it. I'm actually using the 3500 MG5 in my rig now with the 4.3L.
As for the Opti in an LT1, the 93-94's used a sealed unit. I always found it wierd that they went with a vented unit after that. Most guys rant and rave about how good the vented ones are but from what I've seen, they fail a lot more often than the sealed units. In any event, those Opti's suck. Wish they would have never used them :'(
Cheers,
Steve
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I think I'm still gonna try to find a Zuk 2.7w/5spd because the 3.4 has 160Hp and the 4.3 has 190hp so the 2.7 wouldn't be too far off from those and I KNOW it will fit. I won't have to worry about making things fit/fabricating to fit or having to match trannys and stuff like that.
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I think I'm still gonna try to find a Zuk 2.7w/5spd because the 3.4 has 160Hp and the 4.3 has 190hp so the 2.7 wouldn't be too far off from those and I KNOW it will fit. I won't have to worry about making things fit/fabricating to fit or having to match trannys and stuff like that.
Not to mention you'll be keeping it all Zuk, and we won't be able to tease about having chebbie parts in your Tracker ;)
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And everyones favorite picture....baaahhaaawaaaaa
([url]http://images.snapfish.com/33%3B8956%3B23232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2329%3D585%3D374%3DXROQDF%3E23235723%3A47%3B5ot1lsi[/url])
Yea, I think that's my favorite picture too.
Did you ever try to go true dual exhaust rather than crossing over the driveshaft?
Did you have any tunnel or other body pan work?
How about mounts and crossmembers?
I don't think I'd have the patience, let alone the skill to do that kind of installation. Very nice work.
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Chevy parts in his Chevy Tracker ???
Wild
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I'm a GM guy at heart so I won't even try to argue...
And yes, the only reason I bought the Samurai was because it was cheap!
Cheers,
Steve
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I got mine because it was $7000 less than
a Jeep, little did I jnow I was getting a 4x4
Quad racer with 4 seats ;)
Wild
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Chevy parts in his Chevy Tracker ???
Wild
LOL ??? ??? ???
I like the idea of a V8 but I don't have the time, money, or garage to do it in. I'd have to barrow a garage either way but I know that the 2.7 would be faster to do because of little or no fabrication.
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:DDoesn' t that company from Florida (Lightning) build a 4.3ltr swap for the Sami and the Kick? I would go with the 4.3 injected for ease of fitment, it has a ton of torque, easy to find, and cheap. 8)
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I saw them in Moab, I have heard of
some dissatisfied customers, but I have
had no dealings with them so this is
just hear say
Wild
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:DDoesn' t that company from Florida (Lightning) build a 4.3ltr swap for the Sami and the Kick?  I would go with the 4.3 injected for ease of fitment, it has a ton of torque, easy to find, and cheap. 8)
Yeah but mine's NOT a Trackick it's a Tractara :P ::)
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:DDoesn' t that company from Florida (Lightning) build a 4.3ltr swap for the Sami and the Kick?  I would go with the 4.3 injected for ease of fitment, it has a ton of torque, easy to find, and cheap. 8)
Yeah, but the Lightning kit is a steaming POS.
The only thing you might take away from looking at that kit is that the 4.3 is a tight but reasonable fit. A V-8 is going to be a serious challenge to shoehorn into a Samurai.
As far as installing a 4.3, you are going to want to avoid Lightning and work out your own solution.
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i got a 350 chevy in my tracker but i had to push the rad out 6" and using a sm465 and np208 transfercase, the output is just behind the door. its a 91 2 door tracker btw.