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Title: Lucas
Post by: 97TRAKIN on January 25, 2009, 01:48:57 PM
My truck has only been driven on the weekends since December and will only be driven on the weekends up until April. The lifters would rattle on start up, until I started using Lucas synthetic oil stabilizer. Now when it fires up I get no rattle. Great stuff.
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: blacknight on January 26, 2009, 07:13:38 AM
what type of oil are you using? As my Xl will no longer be my DD and I don't want to have the same issues.

George
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: Roguevalleyblue on January 26, 2009, 08:49:51 AM
My truck has only been driven on the weekends since December and will only be driven on the weekends up until April. The lifters would rattle on start up, until I started using Lucas synthetic oil stabilizer. Now when it fires up I get no rattle. Great stuff.

Posted by: 97TRAKIN 
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My truck has only been driven on the weekends since December and will only be driven on the weekends up until April. The lifters would rattle on start up, until I started using Lucas synthetic oil stabilizer. Now when it fires up I get no rattle. Great stuff.
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SO, I tried the Lucas oil in the crankcase at last oil change.  Seems to NOT help (far as I can tell) the sticky lifter noise.  The oil level at full does seem to help a great deal.  These things are very sensitive to liube levels.  Weather has an effect also, with cold temps being tougher.

Pat
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: Jeremiah on January 26, 2009, 12:15:42 PM
A good read: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/images/lucas/lucas.htm (http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/images/lucas/lucas.htm)
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: beercheck on January 26, 2009, 01:20:43 PM
The oil level at full does seem to help a great deal.  These things are very sensitive to lube levels.  Weather has an effect also, with cold temps being tougher.
Pat

X2.  Plus, make sure you're running the mfr recommended 5W-30, nothing heavier, especially in cold weather.
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: Carnage on January 26, 2009, 01:30:04 PM
I would be interested in more lucas studies

i mean theres a little oil gear advertisement stand in every checkers ive been in

seems to me they wouldnt make something that didnt work

(if not a tiny bit)
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: Jeremiah on January 26, 2009, 06:32:15 PM
People that make things that don't work all the time. And people buy those things all the time - on the assumption that they "must work", or they wouldn't be selling it. There's lots of studies about oil additives out there. Most of them say the same thing: Messing with the BALANCE that oils detergent packages MUST have to work properly does more harm than good. There's exceptions - like oil additives that clean the engine, but that's because they're only supposed to be run for a very limited amount of time (usually under 100 miles), so they don't have time to do any harm.

All the info you need is on the site I linked. It gets into the why's and what-for's of oil. What detergent packages are, why they're there, what they do, how long they last... and more.
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: 97TRAKIN on January 31, 2009, 04:54:20 AM
I was and still am very cautious about oil additives. I think if it was to be in the oil it would have already be in there. The ticking on start up after my truck sits for the whole week (not just over night)  was driving me up the wall. I found something that worked for me and thought I'd share my finding that all. And by the way its the 'Synthetic Lucas' I use not the regular one. 
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: IanL on February 01, 2009, 02:17:58 AM
You could be right that the Lucas helped, but how can you be sure that the same amount of plain synthetic oil would not have done the same (that's assuming the level was a bit low)?
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: 97TRAKIN on February 01, 2009, 05:30:38 AM
You could be right that the Lucas helped, but how can you be sure that the same amount of plain synthetic oil would not have done the same (that's assuming the level was a bit low)?
I never said that the same amount of synthetic oil wouldn't have worked. I used the Lucas when I did the oil change and it worked and has been working, so I posted my findings. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: Carnage on February 06, 2009, 10:15:20 AM
is it just me

or do these tests seem to be done with a synthetic oil
 ???

(personally i use regular)
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: Jeremiah on February 06, 2009, 10:59:44 AM
I use conventional oil too. Used it in my Celica every 6000ish miles 'till I sold it a couple years ago with....



264,000 miles on it!!! And, the compression was still within spec!!! The car ran great, but figured it was time to move on (was tired of not having A/C). And get this - I used SuperTech from Wal-Mart. It gets good reviews on oil analysis. But, I recently noticed the price jumped from $7ish a bottle to $10 WTF??? That puts it in the same price range as Valvoline, Quaker State, Mobile 1 and other 'brand names' (though, I'm sure SuperTech is a 'brand name' re-labeled). So, I'm going to re-research these oils and see how the Used Oil Analysis (UOA on bobistheoilguy.com) comes out on them.
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: Carnage on February 06, 2009, 07:21:06 PM
Next time I change oil (in 1k miles or so) I'll probably use my Slick50 additive.  Its sitting there so midas well put it to use.  I'll use regular oil and most likely the FRAM filter thats sitting there too.

I change my oil every 3-5k.  (once or twice a year)

*shrugs*


Then again.  I cant run compression tests so what I dont know cant kill me.   :angel:
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: IanL on February 08, 2009, 01:55:56 AM
Next time I change oil (in 1k miles or so) I'll probably use my Slick50 additive.  Its sitting there so midas well put it to use.  I'll use regular oil and most likely the FRAM filter thats sitting there too.

The best thing to do with that Slick50 is throw it away.  It clogs filters, does no good and is known to increase wear.

http://skepdic.com/slick50.html (http://skepdic.com/slick50.html)
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: beercheck on February 08, 2009, 08:36:20 AM
Next time I change oil (in 1k miles or so) I'll probably use my Slick50 additive.  Its sitting there so midas well put it to use.  I'll use regular oil and most likely the FRAM filter thats sitting there too.

The best thing to do with that Slick50 is throw it away.  It clogs filters, does no good and is known to increase wear.

[url]http://skepdic.com/slick50.html[/url] ([url]http://skepdic.com/slick50.html[/url])


Except he's also running a Tornado air intake insert and a +50 horsepower chip with his electric supercharger.  If he quits using Slick50 now, he'll give up 79.2% of his gains.
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: Carnage on February 08, 2009, 09:12:13 AM
Next time I change oil (in 1k miles or so) I'll probably use my Slick50 additive.  Its sitting there so midas well put it to use.  I'll use regular oil and most likely the FRAM filter thats sitting there too.

The best thing to do with that Slick50 is throw it away.  It clogs filters, does no good and is known to increase wear.

[url]http://skepdic.com/slick50.html[/url] ([url]http://skepdic.com/slick50.html[/url])


Except he's also running a Tornado air intake insert and a +50 horsepower chip with his electric supercharger.  If he quits using Slick50 now, he'll give up 79.2% of his gains.



You forgot my wing and my type r badge good for another 50 hp


but seriously, im not keeping her forever

midas well be the test subject

*rubs hands together*

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Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: Jeremiah on February 09, 2009, 12:20:15 AM
Then do the next owner a favor and throw it away. Really - it's been proven to be a bad product. MOST oil additives are.
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: IanL on February 09, 2009, 01:52:55 AM
Except he's also running a Tornado air intake insert and a +50 horsepower chip with his electric supercharger.  If he quits using Slick50 now, he'll give up 79.2% of his gains.

 ;)
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: Carnage on February 09, 2009, 09:00:55 AM
I dont smoke
I dont eat out (restaurants/fast food)

I dont blindly follow Oil Additives claim but Im willing to try on occasion
(plus im pretty sure im taking better care than the previous owner)


see, Im not perfect.  lol
 ;D



If you change your oil with quality oil and a quality filter, there is no reason it
will not last 100K or more. After 150K it's a crapshoot, regardless of oil or
additives. If there is a casting flaw somewhere in the motor, or anything like that,
no additive in the world will stop the inevitible
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: Carnage on February 09, 2009, 09:03:24 AM
and to stay on the Lucas topic

my dad uses the Lucas gas additive on his 1980s van
and the engine sounds better and he gets better mpg


it didnt do much for the tracker so i stopped using it
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: Jeremiah on February 09, 2009, 12:00:10 PM
The gas additive (upper cylinder lube) is a totally different animal, and it works for most engines. Only need to use about 2 oz per 10 gallons - any more is generally a waste (your mileage may vary). I've found 2.5 oz per fill (11-12 gal) gives me the best results in all the zooks I've driven.
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: Carnage on February 09, 2009, 04:42:49 PM
The gas additive (upper cylinder lube) is a totally different animal, and it works for most engines. Only need to use about 2 oz per 10 gallons - any more is generally a waste (your mileage may vary). I've found 2.5 oz per fill (11-12 gal) gives me the best results in all the zooks I've driven.


yeah
really worked for the van
made no noticeable difference for the tracker
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: Carnage on February 10, 2009, 01:17:05 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giSL7sApyJE
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: Jeremiah on February 10, 2009, 01:40:52 PM
I suspect LUCL depends on the type of gas (California's different than Hawaii) & driving styles. I don't notice much difference in a lot of in-town style driving, but do notice more on-highway (55MPH+, and I don't think Hawaii allows more than 45 MPH ??? )
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: Carnage on February 10, 2009, 03:34:59 PM
I suspect LUCL depends on the type of gas (California's different than Hawaii) & driving styles. I don't notice much difference in a lot of in-town style driving, but do notice more on-highway (55MPH+, and I don't think Hawaii allows more than 45 MPH ??? )


thats funny

typical Oahu freeway limit is 60 mph (80mph is illegal)
but just the other day I was doing 70... ish
outerislands are slower due to lack of freeway

things that really kill the mileage are lots of hills (think island)
and tons of stop and go driving (30 min of driving should take you wherever you need to go)

Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: beercheck on February 10, 2009, 10:24:49 PM
things that really kill the mileage are lots of hills (think island volcanos)

Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: Lucas
Post by: Carnage on February 10, 2009, 10:50:31 PM
things that really kill the mileage are lots of hills (think island volcanos)


Fixed it for you.



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