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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: RazBarlow on February 27, 2009, 02:42:30 PM
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I just installed this onto the 94' tracker. I don't really know if it does anything as I am still running stock exhaust . I know when you wind it up quickly to about 3 1/2-4K she makes a cool noise. Kinmda like when I used to flip my aircleaner lid over on my 76' monte carlo with a 350 4 barrell . Remember those days ?
Man, we used to drive around and probably get 2 miles to the gallon around town just to hear the wwwuuuuuHHH,WWWWWUUUUUHHHH,WWWWWUUUUUUUHHHHH !
Raz
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Yeah, I have that setup. I got the cheap Honda kit from Autozone. I ran an additional line from the center of the air filter out behind the fender to help get more cold air. I'm also running the Calmini header, cat, and cat-back system too. I would like to boar out my intake manifold, to help let more air, but just have not got around to it yet.
The old problem I see with intakes like these are water crossings. So far I have been ok, but I could see potential for sucking in allot of water.
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my tracker is really dirty rite now
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I recently added an intake, My cel came on with an "too lean" error code, when I started looking around I found that my stock airduct was torn. I moved it slightly and the engine died instantly, so rather the spend money on dealer parts I installed the universal kit from advanced auto. I've had a noticeable difference in performance, seems I can climb the rpm faster, and I don't bog down as much going up hill.
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Go buy some sheet metal and tin snips and make a 4 sided enclosed box for it. This will help lower the engine bay temp. Using the cheapy filter's you buy at autozone are not the greatest. But if you want wanna be cool with the look and WOT noise. HAVE FUN.
on my 16 valve i used the cheapy piping, but then i swapped it in some high temp tape. I used the stock air box with a KN filter. I averaged 3 mpg better on the next tank. :)
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My plans are to add a heat shield and heat tape. I want to wrap my header in heat tape as well (the kind for that obviously :P). That's part of the reason I mounted the filter so far back by the firewall and have the extra pipe from the center of the filter out behind the fender to suck in cold air. It just seams like I never have enough time to finish projects that I start.
http://www.heatshieldproducts.com/exhaust_wrap.php
http://www.heatshieldproducts.com/heat_shield.php
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The heat shield and tape sounds like a great idea! If boxed properly...can maybe even deflect a lot of water!
Maybe I'll put mine back on!!! Got me excited now! ;D
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YaaaaaY for me..lol
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So, you are saying that these filters make the trackers get worse mpg ? I thought they would get better mpg . I was hoping for better, because of less restriction .If so, I wish I would have known better.
Thanks,
Raz
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You can get better gas mileage, as long as it is done rite. I did my intake, but I also added 35" tires, so I could not really tell. On my Subaru, I gained 5mpg better with just the intake alone. The response is way better. The key is not suck in all the warm air. Having less restriction defiantly helps, but the more fresh air, and the cooler it is, the more it helps(at least to my understanding)
I like the way the intake sounds too. Sounds kinda mean. lol
The kit I did, must have had a longer pipe. My filter is right at my fender wall, lined up with hole for the old intake. I took my fender off and ran a section of PVC facing towards the driver door and connected to the center of the cone filter.(then put my fender back on, so it is all hidden) to get as much outside air as I could
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I guess I will keep the stock airbox around and play with both setup for the best mpg.
Thanks,
Raz
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All you really need to do, is make something like this, or modify your old box to help keep the heat from the engine to getting to the filter
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Funny thing is this is NOT a CAI. This actually pulls in much much warmer air than the stock system. BUT, the stock system is SO restrictive, it still helps. It's silly how many twists & turns, and small holes the intake air has to go through in stock from. I often wonder, however, if someone just pulled the fender, and got rid of the restrictive "pipe" in there, how much better the kick would run.
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Looks good guy's and you should notice a difference in power and sound. Add that to exhaust for a few more pony's and passing power. Remember on the 16v to drill a hole in the element boot to install the air temp sensor or codes will flash. Dont toss your old junk if you plan on smog.
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Does anyone have a pic of this set up on an 87 Samurai carburetor?
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Funny thing is this is NOT a CAI. This actually pulls in much much warmer air than the stock system. BUT, the stock system is SO restrictive, it still helps. It's silly how many twists & turns, and small holes the intake air has to go through in stock from. I often wonder, however, if someone just pulled the fender, and got rid of the restrictive "pipe" in there, how much better the kick would run.
Jeremiah is right.
Lots of people mistake it for a Cold Air Intake but its not.
I had a regular aftermarket and I think I had a tiny drop in mpg. (But the engine ran better)
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CAI (notice how it drops down)
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More accurately it's called a "short ram intake". At least - the way I've seen most people do it on TracKicks. I've been considering a few different intake ideas:
* Making a fiberglass ram air intake on the driver's side 1/4 panel
* Hood scoop intake
(Both of these make the engine more vonrable to hydro lock. The short-ram inside the engine compartment offers some protection, but probably not much more.)
* I'd REALLY love to move the intake to the pass side. Having the intake run over the hot headers is a piss poor design.
A snorkel is a true CAI, and arguably a ram-air intake (if the intake is pointed forward). People that have done it have reported positive seat-of-the-pants dyno 'numbers'. The only problem I have is the ARB snorkel is $$$, and a lot of the home-brew setups look a little too ghetto-fab for my tastes.
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When moving your filter try your local exhaust shop they should be able to bend/route tube any way you could imagine. Most even have stainless if you dont want to paint. Agreed pvc snorkels are getto.
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More accurately it's called a "short ram intake".
Well, any intake on a tracker is going to be relatively short
I consider this a true "short ram"
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Agreed pvc snorkels are getto.
X2
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I am looking into running something like this on my 87 Samurai, I bought a cone air filter and was planning on just connecting in place of the stock air box. But had a couple questions. I took a pic and drew arrows to what I am wondering about.
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The top arrow is pointing to some sort of vent tube? Do I need this? The lower arrow is to a hose that runs to the right and to the heat shield on the header, What is this for? It seems almost like it is piping hot air into the intake. Thanks for your help.
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Both of those bits work together. When the engine is cold, it does draw air from over the headers. This helps the engine warm up faster - which is a good thing, but not "needed" (unless you live in a SMOG nazzi state). If I were to do another Samurai, I'd just delete that stuff, and figure out a way to do a CAI / ram intake from the filter box to the grill area.
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Ok that is kinda what I was thinking. So would it work to just put on the cone filter right where it connects to the air box? And are the little hoses just sensors to help bring in heated air when needed?
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They bring in warm air as needed. They're not called sensors... maybe vacuum operated switches? Sensors just... sense things, those actually do things (operate a little flap in there). Anyway, you'll need to figure out how to get the bigger hose to plug into the system too, it's the PVC that vents the crank case. And plug those vacuum lines. I wonder if just deleting the hardware from the elbow that comes off the air box out would improve things?
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Ok just to get this straight as far as what your explaining. So arrow 1 is the crank case vent? and arrow 2 is the elbow you think I could just take out and then plug the vacuum lines and run it like that.
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Yes. If you want to get real creative, you can try to figure out a way to run a new line (after elbow & junk is deleted) that goes to the front grill somewhere to suck in cold air. I honestly have no idea how much that's really going to help in a 1.3L, but it would be interesting to try.
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Just an observation from your pic: I see there is a bit of rust on the seam of the steel housing atop your carb (tbi?). I'd take that off & inspect carefully inside, to be sure there's no rust flecks chipping off & getting sucked into your engine! m2c
Fuzz
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Just an observation from your pic: I see there is a bit of rust on the seam of the steel housing atop your carb (tbi?). I'd take that off & inspect carefully inside, to be sure there's no rust flecks chipping off & getting sucked into your engine! m2c
Fuzz
Hey thanks!! Hadn't really thought of that, but very good point. I will check it out.
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Well, any intake on a tracker is going to be relatively short
I consider this a true "short ram"
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Haha, I had something like that on my old civic for a while...
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...and on my old Tracker, I cut an old Civic intake in half for it...
yes, that's electrical tape holding the filter together :-[
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i swiss cheesed my stock box till i get a chance to build something ,it works ok. a high flow filter would help some more.
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I'm still anti high-flow filter... unless it's a larger filter element (which K&N isn't). There's only way to get higher flow:
1) Bigger filter element
2) Bigger holes in filter element
Guess which one K&N is: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58&Itemid=66 (http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58&Itemid=66)
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I must say, I agree with Jeremiah on that count. Particularly with a MPI engines that use the (very finicky & VERY expensive) MAF sensor just after the air box. Oil on the cloth filters needs to be refreshed... guess where that dirty old oil ends up --> in your intake... & all over the MAF plates/honeycomb. Had one oldschooler say to me: "They don't filter anything, but they make a great place for the birds to nest when the engine don't run anymore!" :laugh:
Fuzz
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Yeah I am thinkin that rather than hope I alter the intake the right way, I am going to do what jeremiah said and just take it off at the elbow to open it up a bit.
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It'll help, but don't expect miracles. It's one of those mods that works best with a high flow cat, exhaust & 2" exhaust pipe. My Samurai runs a lot better with all that stuff on there, but if I were doing it all over, I'd be looking for a 1.6L swap.