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Title: How to install clock in dash? Tach also
Post by: oak_raid on May 12, 2009, 11:16:47 PM
Picked up the round clock for the dash on my 87 sammy.  I Thought I saw somewhere on here how to install it, but cant find it.  Can someone walk me through it?

Also picked up a used cluster, with tach.  These are simply plug and go right?
Title: Re: How to install clock in dash? Tach also
Post by: Skyhiranger on May 13, 2009, 06:41:02 AM
Assuming you have the round factory clock and the tach cluster from an 86-88 samurai.....
You will have to cut the hole out for the clock (I don't think it is just an insert that you can pull out to install the clock).  The plug for the clock will be in behind the dash somewhere.
The tach cluster will be plug and play.
Title: Re: How to install clock in dash? Tach also
Post by: oak_raid on May 13, 2009, 09:33:51 AM
Thanks

Title: Re: How to install clock in dash? Tach also
Post by: oak_raid on May 13, 2009, 02:34:34 PM
pretty simple.....

Tach works great.  Clock dont work, checked fuse.  Are their any other fuses or links to check besides the one in the fusebox?  The FSM says the clock runs off the same fuse as the horn.

Title: Re: How to install clock in dash? Tach also
Post by: Skyhiranger on May 13, 2009, 02:57:11 PM
Are you sure the clock is good?
You could also check to make sure you are getting voltage on some of the wires in the plug.  There should be a constant 12V with the key off (for memory), then there should be another wire that gets 12V when the key is turned to the run position (that makes the clock screen light up so you can read it).

Here is a link to a wiring diagram, so you can tell what wire is what.....
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,98365.0.html
Title: Re: How to install clock in dash? Tach also
Post by: oak_raid on May 13, 2009, 03:05:12 PM
No, not sure if the clock is any good.  I'm going to have to do some testing at the plug and see if it is getting power to the clock.  Got all of this stuff for free, in as is condition.
Title: Re: How to install clock in dash? Tach also
Post by: oak_raid on May 13, 2009, 03:30:56 PM
Went out and pulled the clock out.  Opened it up, and there are 3 wires inside.  2 of those wires are not attatched to anything on one end (at the plug).  The other wire (red) is still attached at the plug, but not at the other end.   The ones at the plug are an easy fix, but not sure where the red wire was attached.

Hey, at least the tach worked!!!  Anyone got a clock they want to get rid of?

Title: Re: How to install clock in dash? Tach also
Post by: Drone637 on May 13, 2009, 05:28:53 PM
What happens if you solder the wires onto various parts of the clock?  :)
Title: Re: How to install clock in dash? Tach also
Post by: oak_raid on May 13, 2009, 07:50:01 PM
What happens if you solder the wires onto various parts of the clock?  :)

If I knew where the red wire went, I would try it
Title: Re: How to install clock in dash? Tach also
Post by: fuzzy1 on May 13, 2009, 08:00:44 PM
What happens if you solder the wires onto various parts of the clock?  :)

If I knew where the red wire went, I would try it

"eenie meanie miney MO!!" Try it ya never know, might work. Be sure to hold tongue just right though. :P But really, seems you could run a fused test wire off battery & a ground & figure out which is what?
Title: Re: How to install clock in dash? Tach also
Post by: brentd27 on May 13, 2009, 08:20:30 PM
"eenie meanie miney MO!!" Try it ya never know, might work. Be sure to hold tongue just right though. :P But really, seems you could run a fused test wire off battery & a ground & figure out which is what?

Bad plan.  You've got one right spot and who knows how many wrong spots.  Hit the wrong spot and the clock jumps off the workbench amid a shower of sparks.

I say look for a solder joint that is close to the other two connection points and appears to have a bit of wire sticking out of it.  If you can post a pic of the clock board I can probably tell you where it goes.
Title: Re: How to install clock in dash? Tach also
Post by: oak_raid on May 13, 2009, 08:30:13 PM
Just took it all the way apart.  I see where the wires go, need to get a heat gun to melt the solder and reattach them. 
Title: Re: How to install clock in dash? Tach also
Post by: oak_raid on May 13, 2009, 08:33:05 PM
oh, meant to ask....these wires all attach to the underneath side of the board.  In other words, the wires run from the plug, to the board and are soldered on the backside of the board.  I need to melt the solder that is plugging the hole for the red wire.  Is there a trick to doing this?  I dont imagine you can heat the board without damaging it.  Maybe putting a needle in the hole and heating the needle?  They are small holes, it would have to be something small like a needle.
Title: Re: How to install clock in dash? Tach also
Post by: brentd27 on May 13, 2009, 08:51:59 PM
Heat gun won't do it for melting solder.  You'll need a soldering iron.  Electronic Solder just barely starts to melt at around 300 degrees Fahrenheit or so and you will need to get the connection quite a bit hotter than that pretty quick to be able to re-solder the wire.  I usually keep my digital soldering station set to around 650-700 degrees when I'm doing general purpose soldering...  Less if I'm using sensitive surface mount chips and stuff.
Title: Re: How to install clock in dash? Tach also
Post by: oak_raid on May 13, 2009, 08:54:16 PM
dont sound easy, lol
Title: Re: How to install clock in dash? Tach also
Post by: fordem on May 14, 2009, 06:17:54 AM
Nah - it's not difficult, and you don't need a fancy digital soldering station - although if you have one, by all means use it - any $20 soldering iron will handle it.

There's probably a little stub of wire still in the hole (makes it easy to identify) - heat the pad until the solder melts and then grab the stub with needle nose pliers and pull it out and then stick the "new" wire through the solder whilst it's still molten.
Title: Re: How to install clock in dash? Tach also
Post by: Drone637 on May 14, 2009, 09:14:53 AM
At this point, the clock is already not working so you can only break it more.  :D

fordem had the right trick though, just heat it up and go for it.
Title: Re: How to install clock in dash? Tach also
Post by: oak_raid on May 17, 2009, 03:40:32 PM
Soldered the wires back on and presto, it works.

But the light bulb is blown out, lol.  oh well
Title: Re: How to install clock in dash? Tach also
Post by: fordem on May 17, 2009, 06:41:03 PM
Good to hear you're making progress - I'm pretty sure if you fix the broken wires you can replace the bulb.  I've never seen that particular clock, but the one in my Swift takes a regular bulb behind it.
Title: Re: How to install clock in dash? Tach also
Post by: Skyhiranger on May 17, 2009, 07:04:54 PM
I'm pretty sure it is just a small bulb that you can get at an auto parts store.  Just take the old one out and match it up.  You might be able to read a number on the old bulb, but if not just get one that looks the same.