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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: pbgbottle on August 09, 2004, 01:03:55 PM
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HEY! everyone  lookin for some quick info . today i was picking up an oil filter for a 97 suzuki sidekick 16v. and asked the parts guy if it was any cheaper if i said geo tracker . he looked into and it came up with a different part #  and different price not much though don't these vehicles use the same oil filter  16v tracker,16v sidekick
parts guy shows 2 different part #'s for oil filters ?  any info on this would be greatly appreciated  this is from the amsoil website  oil filter  geo #LF525  zuki #SDF57 are the engine's different .
1997 GEO TRACKER 1.6L 4-cyl VIN Code 6 16-valve
FILTERS
Oil Filter......LF525
Air Filter......AF277
Fuel Filter......GF242
PCV Valve......HV172
Trans......TF40
1997 SUZUKI SIDEKICK 1.6L 4-cyl VIN Code DOHC
FILTERS
Oil Filter......SDF57
Air Filter......AF277
Fuel Filter......GF242
PCV Valve......HV172
Trans......TF40, 3 Spd.
Trans......TF82, 4 Spd.
                Jake   p.s. what happened to
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As far as I know, the engines are the same... Just a word of advice, stay away from FRAM ;D
Kielbassa.com went down for some unknown reason (I think the acct. got locked due to bandwidth/space consumption) and has been replaced with the finicky http://upload.eye-irritant.com/ :-/
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I don't think I would buy filters from an
autoparts store that has different part
#s for the same engine, buy a WIX or
Napa Gold Filter (same filter) or a Purelator
in a pinch is another good filter
Wild
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Sometimes GM puts two different length filters out. For example, when I had all of my cav's the only 4cyl of the bunch took a Delco(the ONLY filter to use by the way) PF52, while the 6cyl's used a PF47 which was the same filter fitting, seal, and diameter wise in a stubby version to fit in the cramped engine compartment. After wrecking my last cav I got a Grand AM with a 4cyl that called for the 47 and I used a 52 because it held more oil and that Quad 4 used, well, a little oil.
When I was a young lad my mom had a 93 Tracker and I kind of remember two different filters of different lengths on that rig too. You can run whatever one you want depending on your climate and motor condition if i'm right. Look at both filters and let us know, since I'm definetly too lazy to walk back to my parts department and look for myself. ;D
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i found this on the delco site .same part #'s but the one listed on the geo page # pf1245 is a larger filter .i
went to the chev dealer locally here and looked at the two filters the pf1245 is longer and slightly fatter . anyways i picked one up .have not done oil change yet though
Jake
(http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/1 geo tracker oil filter (Medium).JPG)
(http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/2 suzuki sidekick oil filter (Medium).JPG)
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The 1.6 engines are the same.
I use K&N HP-1002.
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Well, you got me thinking about the newer ones. I looked up Advance auto parts web site and lo and behold for the 2.0 4 cyl and both Suzuki and Chevy have the same size listed for the 2000. However, if you looked at the filter and where it goes it's a tight fit, it couldn't fit a longer or fatter one. Have fun, Dave ;D
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This is my first posting on a forum, so please be patient, and help me with the typo errors.
I recently cut apart the two General Motors oil filters that are available for my 2003 Tracker, equipped with the 2.5 L V-6. I had accumulated 10,000 km on this, so I figured it is well broken in and decided to go with Mobile 1 synthetic. What I was not ready for was the surprise in quality when I cut open the two previous oil filters.
There are two oil filters available for this engine from your friendly GM dealer. In the owners manual is GM part number 91176162. If you pick up this part, you will easily see that it is a Genuine Suzuki Part with the Suzuki part number (16510-85FAO) This is the oil filter that Suzuki put on the GM tracker at the assembly line when they made the engine. This filter is black , and also had the Suzuki identification on the filter case. Canadian list price on this filter is about $18.20 from a GM dealer .
The other filter that is available from your GM dealer is the A/C Delco PF1245. The actual GM part number for this filter is 25014441. List price is around $12.75. My parts man thought he was doing me a favour by saving me $6.00 on the filter by using the PF 1245.
I decided ( as I have done in the past with my other vehicles) to cut open and compare the filters. I was not prepared for the differences between these two filters. You Suzuki lovers will be pleased to know that the Suzuki filter is one of the best quality fillters that I have ever cut open. First off, I am not an engineer, but anybody can see the obvious differences.( If some one can reply to this post, and explain to me how to display the digital photos, that would be appreciated). I think most will be disappointed if they have been using the PF1245.
Ok, so here is what I found. First off the surface area of the Suzuki filter is a whopping 260 square inches. Pretty darn good for the small packaging required to fit this into the small canister. The paper pleets are much deeper, and the anti drain back valve is good quality as well. Now the bad news. The GM PF1245 oil filter paper works out to 120 square inches. The spool of this filter is shorter, and a smaller diameter, but externally the filter is only slightly smaller. The paper pleets are only half as deep as well. The filter media appears thinner, but then again I cannot test its actual filtering ability. The fact is the Suzuki filter has over twice the filter surface area!!!
When I unrolled the two paper filtering media beside each other the PF1245 is 43 1/2 inches long and narrower. The Suzuki filter paper is 89 inches long.! I plan to keep my Tracker ( ok, Suzuki) for many years. I also know on my previous experiances that good engine oil, and filter contibutes to good engine life.
I will post the actual filter digital photos as soon as I learn how.
PS. My wife and I are very pleased with the V-6, and the automatic overdrive. I have a relative who owns the GM dealership, so Ijust had to wait a couple of extra years for GM to finally turf the 2.0 liter, and finally go with the V6 like the Grand Vitera. I keep looking under the hood, and see if I can retro fit a belt driven supercharger under there.
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Since I don't have anything else constructive to add, I'll just pimp my image uploader:
You can upload your image here: http://upload.eye-irritant.com/
If you have any trouble, just ask. It should be pretty self-explanitory, though.
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Law Dog, I wonder if the PF # filters are
Purelator filters ?? I don't know the part #s
but the it sounds like the Purelator #s system
to me
Wild
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No wild, I don't think that's what it stands for.  Delco has almost always used PF.  I used to know what it stood for when the GM parts rep from a dealer I used to work at told me.  It's something dumb like Premium Filter or Prophylactic Finder, somthing like that.  But, seems like a moot point kind of. ÂÂ
Yellow that's some pretty interesting info. I too have opened up a few oil filters for comparison. I've always found that the Delcos were superior to most other makes, except for like a Hastings which was just about the same. It really surprises me that the stock Zuk filter is that much better, wow. Wait a minute...your not a Suzuki parts rep incognito, are you? ;D
 What does everyone think of those new NAPA filters that supposedly spiral filter or something of the sort.  I saw commercials during the Brickyard, looked like a gimmick to me but I thought, as long as we're on the oil filter subject, I'd see what everyone else thought of them.
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I've heard nothing but D&MN good things about that Suzuki OEM oil filter, the price is real good to.
I run the NapaGold oil filter and Modile 5w-30.
I may start running the Suzuki filter because its the cheapest of the top three filters for these trucks with the hydro lifters.
NapaGold
Mobile-1
Suzuki OEM
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Here are the 3 photos of the comparison to the two oil filters cut open that are available from a GM dealer. As you will see the repackaged Suzuki filter( GM part number 91176162) has 260 square inches of filtering surface , compared to the other GM ( GM part number 25014441) A/C Delco PF1245 that has only 120 square inches of surface area.
As with a lot of engine manufactures, you usually have a choice of more than one filter from the same supplier. See my previous post in regards to price etc.
(http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/MVC-003S.JPG)
This photo is what you actually find inside.
Much longer filter media, 89 by 3 inches compared to 43.5 by 2.75 inches when stretched out!
(http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/MVC-004S.JPG)
And this is the Suzuki filter that is repackaged by GM. As you can tell GM does not hide the fact that they own a large share percentage in Suzuki, the GM parts label is just stuck onto the Suzuki package.
(http://www.eye-irritant.com/august2004/MVC-006S.JPG)
Notice the Suzuki spool allows for a much deeper paper pleet, and is slightly taller by .25 inches. You certainly get what you pay for, $12.50 CDN verses $18.00 CDN. I know which I will keep using!
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That reminds me of those toilet paper comercials.
MORE SHEETS THAN THE OTHER LEADING BRAND! ;D
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That reminds me of those toilet paper comercials.
MORE SHEETS THAN THE OTHER LEADING BRAND! ;D
;D That was seriously funny!!!