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Title: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: rago on July 22, 2009, 02:01:25 PM
When I get some spare cash I plan on painting my Samurai. I've really been thinking this over & can't decide what I like. At first I wanted to go with a bright red or silver with black accents, but I really thought about it & I would rather have something I can rattlecan in case of a trail mishap.

So anyways..... anyone got some rattlecan paint jobs I can check out for ideas? ;D
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: ack on July 22, 2009, 02:30:19 PM
I rattlecaned my Samurai with the Krylon Camo series of paints.

Other than problems relating to surface preparation (oops) I discovered that the camo paint does not accept stickers or decals very well.
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: Carnage on July 22, 2009, 02:40:38 PM
i vote desert tan

as theres more OD than DT

if you click thru my cardomain pages you can find a few more

(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/1911/4401/29777200025_large.jpg)

(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/4819/1781/24545890001_large.jpg)

(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2434/1241/31083120054_large.jpg)
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: cj on July 22, 2009, 03:23:08 PM
Why not just do your original idea in flat?
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: crikeymike on July 22, 2009, 03:24:46 PM
I can't see any more pics on the car domain page.  I must be looking in the wrong place.

I like the desert tan look.  It looks cool with the black softtop too. 
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: Carnage on July 22, 2009, 03:30:32 PM
I can't see any more pics on the car domain page.  I must be looking in the wrong place.



Theres a lot to see.  I have a lot of pages with a lot of pics.
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: Lindenmooch on July 22, 2009, 05:38:43 PM
hey you missed mine!   but actually, it looks almost EXACTLY like Quaddawg's in that second pic....so no need really.  I'm digging the OD a lot.  I like it's "fly under the radar" approach.  The DT would be too bright for me.
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: jzap on July 22, 2009, 07:02:05 PM
I went with a gloss enamel in charcoal gray for a "utilitarian" look.  It is a Rustoleum color that nobody carries anymore.  I painted the trailer first, and them couldn't find the paint.  I found the last five cans I needed for the Zuk in Florence, KY and haven't seen any on the shelves since.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/jzap/P7040808.jpg)
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: LilRed on July 22, 2009, 07:46:38 PM
I think if I ever get around to painting one of mine, I will go with the desert tan with black fender flares & top.  So that's my vote.

Hey Jim, I saw an Apache camper for sale today and it reminded me of you & yours!
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: Carnage on July 22, 2009, 09:00:19 PM
I went with a gloss enamel in charcoal gray for a "utilitarian" look.  It is a Rustoleum color that nobody carries anymore.  I painted the trailer first, and them couldn't find the paint.  I found the last five cans I needed for the Zuk in Florence, KY and haven't seen any on the shelves since.



there is a rustoleum in a lighter gray (smoke gray)

looks like this

(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i247/khmerpeople/ef%20sedan/new%20paint%20shoot/gm5.jpg)
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: rago on July 22, 2009, 09:13:11 PM
Why not just do your original idea in flat?


I like that idea if I can find a flat red. Red primer won't cut it. I want a bright, flat red. I figured a flat color would be hard to find & gloss colors look awful coming from a can. Here is my ride as I got it. I don't really care for this color of green, its got an odd tone to it, the clear is peeling & the original blue is showing through in spots. Don't worry I fixed the horrible shackles. :o

(http://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/13/72/08/44/img00010.jpg)

I plan on changing everything up from the color & wheels to the suspension & engine. Just gotta get some money freed up, lol.
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: Carnage on July 22, 2009, 09:27:48 PM
I figured a flat color would be hard to find & gloss colors look awful coming from a can.


i think jzaps one was gloss from a can


and this car was sprayed with gloss white

(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee68/digidoc911/rsx70409064.jpg)
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: rago on July 22, 2009, 09:38:51 PM
Wow, maybe it's the prep job then. I once knew someone that ruined a Mustang by spray bombing it Ford Blue. I'd rather drive around with orange peel than have a paint job like that guy had.

Seems like most spray paints can't get the deep mirror-like gloss that a gun can. I just don't want to waste my time spraying with a gun when I know it's gonna get tore up on the trails. If I happen to lose a fender or scratch the side of my Sami, I can just buy another can & problem solved.
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: Carnage on July 22, 2009, 09:41:56 PM
yeah, it all about prep

to be more specific, its all about sanding & polishing


if its a trail rig, i would go OD or DT

so what if it gets scratched
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: v-stone on July 22, 2009, 09:43:21 PM
I've seen some good gloss paint jobs coming from a can. It just takes a lot of Patience. I do like the flat though, olive green with black trim and Tan is right too.
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: cj on July 22, 2009, 11:22:24 PM
Why not just do your original idea in flat?

I like that idea if I can find a flat red. Red primer won't cut it. I want a bright, flat red. I figured a flat color would be hard to find & gloss colors look awful coming from a can. 
 

Go find the red you like and get them to put in some flattener and then after you have painted it get what's  leftover put into rattlecans for touch-ups.
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: Lindenmooch on July 23, 2009, 06:40:54 AM
You don't need an expensive paint gun to paint your rig.  I bought this one, and I'm very happy with it so far. 

http://www.wagnerspraytech.com/portal/optimus_power_painter_spray,307691,747.html (http://www.wagnerspraytech.com/portal/optimus_power_painter_spray,307691,747.html)

With a paint gun like this....you can buy whatever color you want, in whatever finish you want, and it'll still be cheap.  It cost me less than 20 dollars for a gallon of the OD paint I used to paint my Tracker.  Got it in satin finish, and it looks awesome.   

I think the gun cost me like 70 or 80 dollars....but it's totally worth it. 

(http://www.wagnerspraytech.com/portal/pics/spraytech/products/powerPainters/OPTIMUS/Optimus_Power_In_Use_Deck.jpg)

Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: djlantis57 on July 23, 2009, 01:19:37 PM
I think the gun cost me like 70 or 80 dollars....but it's totally worth it. 
Yeah and you have it for life now so you can use it for repairs, or painting whatever else is thrown your way!
I'm watching this thread to see all the pictures that are being posted.  Because I have a 2dr tintop Tracker I am considering painting in the near future (1yr or so) and like to see how other's turned out
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: Drone637 on July 23, 2009, 02:07:03 PM
Are you looking to use spray paint to save on the cost of paint or so you don't have to buy a gun?
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: rago on July 23, 2009, 02:28:15 PM
Funny story. I have the gun, but my air compressor went poop recently. I have access to another compressor, just don't want to haul it 2 towns over to do it. I realize I could probably use the gun & maybe even save $$$ vs spray paint.

Mainly I want to use a can instead of a gun because I know if I need to make a quick repair & can always go to the store & buy another can. If it's shot with a gun, I would have to mix up another batch & hope the color matches or respray the whole thing. This is mainly a trail toy, but looks are somewhat of a concern. I figure a good flat spray paint followed with wet sanding should look decent & be easy to repair.

If this was more of a daily driver, it would be sprayed with a gun & probably be a deep maroon with gunmetal accents & wheels. ;D
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: Drone637 on July 23, 2009, 05:29:36 PM
Some Safety Red at 25 a gallon and Rustoleum Black highlights.  I don't think it looks to bad.  We did use a gun though.  :D

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_86HP5-adsWc/Sl14NnV4uWI/AAAAAAAAFGQ/DFP5sD4q9GI/s640/CIMG3462.JPG)
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: rago on July 23, 2009, 05:39:36 PM
Looks good. How many gallons of primer, paint, & thinner did you need? Also is it painted inside & under the hood or just the outside? Yours has the quality I would expect if I shot with a gun, but cans of gloss would be a hassle to get looking like that.

I found 12 cans of Desert Tan for $50 shipped on Ebay, but it's latex based. Never heard of latex spray paint before, just the stuff used in homes. If I can use it, that looks like the cheap route to go + I would have some extras.
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: Jeremiah on July 23, 2009, 06:34:40 PM
If it's shot with a gun, I would have to mix up another batch & hope the color matches or respray the whole thing.


Usually any 2 batches of rattle can aren't the same either. You're going to want to buy more cans than you need as "backup" for touch up jobs. That said - I'm pretty sure the same goes for spray gun paint - as long as you keep the "extra" laying around, you won't need to mix up any new paint... just use what was left over from the original paint job.

This claims it can do latex...
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=47274 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=47274)

(http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/47200-47299/47274.gif)



I've also been curious about...
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=66297 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=66297)

(http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/66200-66299/66297.gif)
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: Drone637 on July 23, 2009, 08:39:23 PM
Looks good. How many gallons of primer, paint, & thinner did you need? Also is it painted inside & under the hood or just the outside? Yours has the quality I would expect if I shot with a gun, but cans of gloss would be a hassle to get looking like that.

We probably used about a quart of paint and primer, but I have not painted the targa bar or the doors yet.  As Jeremiah said, you will want the extra.  That is why we bought the gallon of standard Safety red.  By not mixing the paint we can always re-spray later and it should match.  We are tempted to go back and put a couple passes of clear coat on it as well to help protect against scratches, but that will wait for the next paint job.

Currently it is just the exterior painted.  We are going to paint the inside of the bed the same color then the floor in either grey epoxy or in the Rustolium black, same as the bumpers.  In time, in time.  Lindenmooch's rig looks great with the power painter and the latex paint, it will be interesting to see how it holds up.

I'll get BRD HNTR to jump in, as he knows a bit more about painting then I do.  It was his idea to use the paint from the hardware store instead of 150 dollars worth of high end auto paint.  :)
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: mrhawk on July 25, 2009, 05:31:47 AM
Rattlecan, and turned out pretty good.

(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/monkysa/offroad%20bilder/P6130517_704x528.jpg)
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: ecoast on July 25, 2009, 09:16:12 AM
I went with a gloss enamel in charcoal gray for a "utilitarian" look.  It is a Rustoleum color that nobody carries anymore.  I painted the trailer first, and them couldn't find the paint.  I found the last five cans I needed for the Zuk in Florence, KY and haven't seen any on the shelves since.

([url]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/jzap/P7040808.jpg[/url])


Looks great; rattle can?
Did you prep/prime?
Clearcoat?
How many cans?

I'm thinking same color; like a gun metal grey with wheels and accents a shade or two darker or black.
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: Lindenmooch on July 25, 2009, 09:20:37 AM
I like that gloss gray too.  I'll probably do a glossy smoke or gun metal next time I paint it....with more prep obviously.
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: rago on July 25, 2009, 12:16:01 PM
mrhawk, that's exactly what I had in mind if I go DT. What paint did you use?

As far as the gloss gray that jzap said no longer exists, I wonder how close to that color you could get with a darker gray primer & a few coats of gloss clear coat? I think that would look pretty cool on a stock Sami with like colored wheels. On a lifted one like mine, it's probably out of place for the "Utilitarian Look". Definitely gives that Kick a workhorse appearance instead of your average "cute" look that most stock TracKicks have.
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: mrhawk on July 26, 2009, 02:18:27 AM
mrhawk, that's exactly what I had in mind if I go DT. What paint did you use?


It's actually a base coat paint from a swedish car parts warehouse. We don't have any military color style rattle can paints here. This is basicly the cheapest rattle cans I could find ( $5 a can )

I like flat colors, easy to touch up. My zuk used to be flat black before, but I think samurais look better in brighter colors.
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: cj on July 26, 2009, 03:15:52 PM
With my new toy I have gone with a color called Machinery Grey. It's pretty common here for painting industrial equipment and it is similar to the kick above. Here is a pic but it is not very good.
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: Carnage on July 26, 2009, 04:18:39 PM
mrhawk, that's exactly what I had in mind if I go DT. What paint did you use?


 This is basicly the cheapest rattle cans I could find ( $5 a can )



Walmart typically carries $1 a can spray paint

thats how I primed this

(http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/3402/1201/21003100026_medium.jpg)
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: countrysamurai on July 26, 2009, 05:50:33 PM
well after borrowsing thru this thread i am really liking the DT over OD. thanks for posting a good thread.
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: mrhawk on July 27, 2009, 07:43:29 AM

Walmart typically carries $1 a can spray paint

But it's bloody expensive to travel to the US to be able to buy them ;)

Don't think I have ever seen any type of rattle can for less than $4 here in sweden  >:(
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: Carnage on July 27, 2009, 11:12:39 AM

Walmart typically carries $1 a can spray paint

But it's bloody expensive to travel to the US to be able to buy them ;)

Don't think I have ever seen any type of rattle can for less than $4 here in sweden  >:(


you make a good point  ;D
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: jzap on July 27, 2009, 06:28:03 PM
I went with a gloss enamel in charcoal gray for a "utilitarian" look.  It is a Rustoleum color that nobody carries anymore.  I painted the trailer first, and them couldn't find the paint.  I found the last five cans I needed for the Zuk in Florence, KY and haven't seen any on the shelves since.


Looks great; rattle can?
Did you prep/prime?
Clearcoat?
How many cans?

I'm thinking same color; like a gun metal grey with wheels and accents a shade or two darker or black.


Yes it is a rattle can job.  The results depend heavily on the prep.  Take as much "stuff" off the truck as possible (grill, tail lights, marker lights, bumper covers, trim, top, mirrors...)   The original paint was in pretty good shape, so we wet sanded with 320, primed any spots that showed bare metal, then wet sanded again with 400.

Treat the can the same as you do a gun.  In other words, don't start or stop the spray over the work surface, and get a feel for the proper distance to cover the surface wet, but without running.

It took 5 or 6 cans to do the 2dr.  Buy a couple extra for covering trail rash.    

It was an enamel paint, so no clearcoat.

The main thing to remember is that 99% of the people who see your truck see it from more than 10 ft away.

I started with the lighter gray, like the car that Gen-Erix posted.  It was OK, but to me, it looked like shiny primer.
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: norcalwreckchaser on July 28, 2009, 03:12:42 AM
The main thing to remember is that 99% of the people who see your truck see it from more than 10 ft away.
Thats called a "ten footer" paint job, and yes if it is a trail rig it will get scratched and/or bashed in, so as long as you do a good prep job, rattle can is fine! I do like the grey or DT.
Norcal
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: Carnage on July 31, 2009, 12:39:32 AM
I went with a gloss enamel in charcoal gray for a "utilitarian" look.  It is a Rustoleum color that nobody carries anymore.  I painted the trailer first, and them couldn't find the paint.  I found the last five cans I needed for the Zuk in Florence, KY and haven't seen any on the shelves since.


Looks great; rattle can?
Did you prep/prime?
Clearcoat?
How many cans?

I'm thinking same color; like a gun metal grey with wheels and accents a shade or two darker or black.



The main thing to remember is that 99% of the people who see your truck see it from more than 10 ft away.

I started with the lighter gray, like the car that Gen-Erix posted.  It was OK, but to me, it looked like shiny primer.


Rustoleum comes in 2 basic greys:  (gloss) Primer Grey & Smoke Grey (darker)
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: jzap on August 01, 2009, 08:33:37 PM
I saw in Menard's today that Rustoleum rattle cans have a flat red, burgundy, a couple greens, of course, and a few shades of blue.  It looks like it may be exactly what this thread was originally describing.
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: rago on August 01, 2009, 09:27:10 PM
Rustoleum has a flat red? Do you happen to know where I can buy this stuff at? You definitely sparked my interest if it doesn't look like red primer.
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: zuksofhazzard on August 02, 2009, 06:35:23 PM
From the Krylon Website: http://www.krylon.com/projects/sports-recreation/camo-4wd-sidekick/index.jsp

 8)
Title: Re: Desert Tan vs Olive Drab vs other flat color
Post by: jzap on August 02, 2009, 08:21:04 PM
Rustoleum has a flat red? Do you happen to know where I can buy this stuff at? You definitely sparked my interest if it doesn't look like red primer.


If I remember correctly, this is what Menard's had.  I have seen it at other places like Meijer and Walmart (smaller selection carried).

http://www.rustoleum.com/CBGProduct.asp?pid=143&sid=240262 (http://www.rustoleum.com/CBGProduct.asp?pid=143&sid=240262)