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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: 97TRAKIN on July 05, 2004, 05:16:19 AM
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What if Suzuki told you that they needed your help in making a new vehicle to compete with the Jeep Rubicon from the factory. You could pick either a Samurai, Trackick, Tracker, Vitara, or XL-7. On top of that they would give you the FULL support of all the top Suzuki after market suppliers and fabricators.
Now the catch ;D, the vehicle has to be able to run the Rubicon following a stock jeep rubicon and come out with no more body damage than the jeep! You can drag the frame all you want.
On top of that they say that if you do this you get to keep the vehicle and a cash prize of $10,000 plus you get the first of the prduction model. Which vehicle would you chose and why?
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(at your skill level)
That would probably disqualify me right there, considering that I have absolutely no rock crawling experience, and that's what the rubicon is, no?
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sammy. the reason i say that is....(http://photos.zuwharrie.com/users/her_zuki/FRONT_RIGHT_TWISTED.JPG). 8)
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you know i think it would be cool it we had limits to do stuff with, tire size, spending limit and so on. cuz i would just go and buy Jake Plambregs(sp) sammy on 44's and unimogs and run over the heep.
stu
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Thanks man!! ;D
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you know i think it would be cool it we had limits to do stuff with, tire size, spending limit and so on.  cuz i would just go and buy Jake Plambregs(sp) sammy on 44's and unimogs and run over the heep.
stu
Good point.... ;D
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you know i think it would be cool it we had limits to do stuff with, tire size, spending limit and so on.  cuz i would just go and buy Jake Plambregs(sp) sammy on 44's and unimogs and run over the heep.
stu
Having said that you could not go over 6" of lift body/suspension and engine swaps are allowed but it has to be from another Suzuki vehicle. And vehicle has to look stock except for lift tires and armor. ie; fenders must be intact!....
Now what truck would you choose?
You don't have to go into detail, just what truck and why
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ok, sence i can spend all the money in the world, start with a 97 4 door tracker, 6in calmini combo with 33 in boggers(mabey a little trim ;D) on some beadlocked alum. rims, all steel up front, ARBed front and rear. Engine would be somthing in the 2.0L to 2.5L range, supercharged, camed, filter, exhaust, and so on, Rhino lined inside, duel cases, hidden winch, stronger rear axles, custom CVs, i'll have to think of more later.
stu
P.S. if i was really doing this i would just call mike up and see if he wanted to sell his. ;D
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Suzuki Jimny with a GV 2.0 Turbo Diesel engine.  ;D  http://www.suzuki4.co.uk/images/images_jimny/jimny_swf/jimny_tech.html ÂÂ
- 6" suspension lift
- Front & rear lockers
- 4:1 T-case gears
- 33" TSLs with diffs geared respectably
- Winch Bumper and a warn 8000
- Swing away tire carrier and rear bumper
My dream truck!  ;D
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Ohh ........... Don't get me started, I have
wanted to run the Rubicon for years, and I
Would pick a new body style that has tires
and lift in the plan, The Kick is a better riding
truck, the Sammy is more of a all around off
road design, there needs to be some of both
trucks in this build, and not an easy choice.
Wild
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A Samurai with the body stretched to slightly longer than LWB length, and a few inches wider than a Sidekick, with 4 doors. Axels ~6" wider than a Sidekick's, and significantly more beefy. Powered by the 2.7L V6 with some sort of forced induction. Dual transfer cases. Selectable lockers front and back with 5.83 gearing. 6" suspension lift, 35" offroad tires (BFG Mud Terrains or Wrangler MTR's). Modified fenders (essentially cutting, but done at the factory :)).
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I was thinking XL-7 with 2.5" suspesion + 2" body lift riding on 32" ATs. Lower tranfer gears and lower diff gears. ARBs front and rear with armor all around and under. 2" receiver bumpers front and rear with a winch mounted on a 2" receiver winch plate. Duel red or yellow top batteries and a clean Rino lined interior. One more thing, a snorkel.
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Re-release the Samurai in the USA, add small lift, 31's lockers and low t-case. ;D
It worked the first time, I bet it would work again. Simple, inexpensive, no bells and whistles 4x4 that would hang with the Rubicon all day long.
Zig
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ZUKIPILOT
I AGREE WITH YOU BUT WOULD ALSO MAKE THE TRACK VERY SLIGHTLY WIDER AND ADD SOME DECENT POWER STEERING .
PUT THE ENGINE UP TO THE 16V VITARA MOTOR AND A DECENT FREE FLOW EXHAUST SYSTEM ..
WHAT A BEAST ;D
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Re-release the Samurai in the USA,
Zig
That's what I'm saying. Any vehicle you choose would be BRAND NEW! They'll handle the politics/paper work.
And I changed (at your skill level.) to following a stock jeep rubicon.
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Re-release the Samurai in the USA, add small lift, 31's lockers and low t-case.  ;D
It worked the first time, I bet it would work again. Simple, inexpensive, no bells and whistles 4x4 that would hang with the Rubicon all day long.
Zig
Excellent idea. None of that electronic drivetrain controll bullshit, just a good old 5spd manual with a driver-actuated (or whatever the manual t-cases are called) t-case. That would be awesome... too bad there's probably not a big enough market for an "old fashioned" vehicle like that, though :(
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I like this topic.
Here is my take. I agree with Kreg bring me the jimny it's wider and longer than the samurai, and coil sprung. Now for my wish list.
Diesel engine, with atleast 100 hp & torque
4spd auto trans or manual
4:1 transfer case gears
4-5 inches of lift
235's to 31 max tires "remember we're trying to match the ribicon"
ARB lockers front, and rear
Skid plates
and that should do it. I'd take care of anything else. I think this would not only match the rubicon, but I think it would beat it in certain situations.
I'd also settle for a stock jimny, and build a rubicon killer from it.
Yeah now you have me dreaming ;D ;D ;D
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I think a stock SideKick with
lockers could keep up with
a Ruby, heck why do you think
So Cal Jeep is having a Jeep-a-thon
and they won't let any other makes
come and join in ???
Don't wan't too many Zukes showing
them up now do they ???
Wild
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Don't wan't too many Zukes showing
them up now do they ???
Wild
;DI ran into that same mentality when we started the first "Jeep Club" in Cookeville. It was sponsored by the local Jeep dealership where one of the clubs founders worked. They initally said that nobody but Jeep owners could join, but changed there mind when every one of the founders stated that they were going to drop the sponsorship if they would not allow me to join :) I was also going to attend a 'Camp Jeep' in Denver a few years ago, but when my friend checked into it he found out that 'Only Jeeps could attend'. He went in his new TJ and they actually jumped him and threatned to make him leave for trying the hardest lines on the cheezy ass trail rides.
Zig
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Oh Yea, my idea of the 'Re-released Sami' I was thinking of updated motor instead of the Old 1.3.
I did not go with the Sidekick, locked, Geared and Skidded due to price. Assuming that a re-released Sami would be less inexpensive. Plus the instant popularity of the Sami, and taking into the mentality of most off-roaders(has to be solid axle to be a good off road vehicle).
I dont no why, but there are little or no small vehicle desil motors in the USA :-/ Maybe strict smog regulations :-/ So to be released here, I think it would probably need to be gas.
What do the new Jimmy's sell for in US dollars?
Zig
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one of these 2-stroke babies :o ;D
It could go over anything.. all stock too..
(http://www11.ocn.ne.jp/~balk/trip/f2_98/images/f2_98_6.jpg)
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What do the new Jimmy's sell for in US dollars?
Zig
I think they go for around $12,000 from the factory over here.
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one of these 2-stroke babies :o ;D
It could go over anything.. all stock too..
([url]http://www11.ocn.ne.jp/~balk/trip/f2_98/images/f2_98_6.jpg[/url])
Is that a 2 stroke Jimmy? Sorry, but I dont know much about that line.
Zig
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One of the best and easiest rigs to compete would be a 16v single cam 1.3 with power steering, spoa or coil, with about 4" of lift, with a GRS1 t-case, with 30 or 31s and air lockers in both ends with rear discs. You could actually build that exact truck for $10,000 or less in real life. It would go more places than the Rubicon.
Just a thought. ;D
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Is that a 2 stroke Jimmy? Sorry, but I dont know much about that line.
Zig
This model was made in '81 (SJ-30). It had a 550cc 2-stroke engine. The engine was so light that it could easily be lifted out of the engine compartment by hand, but it just didn't have the HPs to run 44s...a blast to drive though no worries about breaking any shafts.